fishin
 
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Fri 22 Feb, 2008 02:35 pm
spendius wrote:
Steve wrote-

Quote:
Perhaps they know too much. Perhaps these women understand the female psyche and realise how unsuited they, and by extension a female candidate, would be for high office.


I made that point earlier but nobody took me up on it.

If Mrs Clinton dropped out what happens to her votes at the convention?

Is there a possibility of another candidate coming in with her endorsement (VEEP offers) and with the superdelegates added on the woman and the black man are out and normal service is resumed.

I would think Mr Gore could blow Mr McCain away under such circumstances.



spendius wrote:
Foxy wrote-

Quote:
The super delegates only have a say in who their party's nominee will be. They won't have any say in which of the two party's nominees will be the next president. That's all up to the vote in the general election.


Well--I know that. Everybody knows that.

I don't think you understood my post Foxy.

If Mrs Clinton loses Ohio and Texas and bows out that will leave Mr Obama standing alone but with nowhere near enough delegates to win the nomination. The powder is still dry.

Or have I misunderstood?

Why would I have said that about Mr Gore blowing Mr McCain away if I thought the delegates chose the president?

That scenario gets rid of the woman, the black man and the old age pensioner and places a well funded Nobel prize winner with a noble cause in his sails in the WH. And with great experience and charm.

A safe pair of hands. No cupboard skeletons.

And you owe him one as well.


This is a one-in-a-bazillon scenario. If Clinton drops out (completely) her current delegates are free to vote for whomever else they might choose. I think it highly unlikely that they'd opt for someone that hasn't run in any primary and if they did you'd see an uproar within the party like nobody's business.

Besides that, Obama is likely to win at least some of the delegates in both OH and TX. If Clinton dropped out after that there would still be almost 750 delegates to be awarded on other states after that - presumably Obama would take all of them. That would give hime enough to reach the 2025 marker needed.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Fri 22 Feb, 2008 02:43 pm
I found this interesting link on Texas democrats. All the activies listed are for Obama.

http://www.txdemocrats.org/page/event/detail/meeting/wrjz
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spendius
 
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Fri 22 Feb, 2008 02:46 pm
It was unlikely that Foinavon would win the Grand National.

As Mr Obama approaches the magic number could his proximity to it influence subsequent voting patterns.

I never see any actual voting figures. Just who won and some percentages. How many voters are involved in these primaries?

I backed Mr Gore at 40 to 1 and I'm going to talk up his chances until he says he will not allow himself to be drafted.

I don't like to say this but I don't think any of the three hopefuls left would have any chance here.

And what's up with a good old fashioned "uproar"? Media would cash in wouldn't they with one of those.

Suppose Mrs Clinton, perish the thought, falls under the proverbial bus. Or Mr Obama.
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sozobe
 
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Fri 22 Feb, 2008 02:46 pm
Good summary from fishin.

That looks familiar, c.i. Tons of stuff going on in Ohio. I'm getting like 5-20 emails a day about various events, planning meetings, fundraisers, canvassing, etc., etc.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Fri 22 Feb, 2008 03:07 pm
If I had to make a wild guess on Texas, I'd say Obama will win hand's down.
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sozobe
 
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Fri 22 Feb, 2008 03:38 pm
Feingold voted for Obama!

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/campaignmatters?bid=45&pid=289055

And says it is "extremely likely" that he'll cast his superdelegate vote for Obama.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Fri 22 Feb, 2008 04:13 pm
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Fri 22 Feb, 2008 04:21 pm
As predicted here and elsewhere.

From DemConWatch:

Candidate Delegates Super delegates Total
Obama 1180 174 1354
Clinton 1026 239 1265

So, Obama:

+154 in pledged delegates.

- 65 in super delegates.

+ 89 in total delegates.

He was -94 in supers a month ago. Yet another positive trend for him.

Cycloptichorn
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cicerone imposter
 
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Fri 22 Feb, 2008 04:27 pm
Where does the 174 and 239 come from? Don't we have to wait for Texas and Ohio to place their votes?
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spendius
 
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Fri 22 Feb, 2008 04:27 pm
All aboard the gravy train.

And Bernie said Mrs Clinton was a sure thing. He wanted to bet me.

He's an Obamate now. He's no idea how right-wing Mr Obama is.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Fri 22 Feb, 2008 04:35 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
Where does the 174 and 239 come from? Don't we have to wait for Texas and Ohio to place their votes?


that's the number of super-delegates yo!!

Cyclopticorn
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cicerone imposter
 
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Fri 22 Feb, 2008 04:46 pm
But the shift from Clinton to Obama just started.
From the Guardian.

Clinton losing super-delegate support
Democratic presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton speaks to supporters in Dallas, Texas. Photograph: Rick Gershon/Getty

Hillary Clinton is starting to lose her overwhelming lead with super-delegates, the Democratic party officials whose votes she is counting on to help her close the gap with Barack Obama.

Obama has received a steady flow of new backers in recent days while building a streak of 11 straight primary victories. After once leading Obama by a 2-to-1 ratio in the super-delegate chase, Clinton now has 241 to his 181, according to the latest Associated Press tally.

Most unnerving for Clinton is the trickle of super-delegates who have defected from her corner to Obama's. The shift comes as Clinton failed to deliver a telling blow on Obama in their penultimate televised debate before the Texas and Ohio primaries on March 4.

Latest polling shows the candidates separated by two percentage points in Texas, well within the margin of error, and seven points in Ohio.

The Clinton campaign had hoped the debate would offer her an opportunity to halt Obama's momentum. Instead she came under fire for allegedly plagiarising part of a speech made by former candidate John Edwards.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Fri 22 Feb, 2008 05:19 pm
I'm now listening to CNN, and the Latino democratic leader is saying that the Hispanic voters will be voting for Hillary, because of the 30 years of the Clinton involvement in Texas... His name is Menendez.

I only have one quesiton; what has the Clintons done for the Latinos in the past 30 years?
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Vietnamnurse
 
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Fri 22 Feb, 2008 05:29 pm
Nada
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cicerone imposter
 
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Fri 22 Feb, 2008 05:35 pm
That's another point of contention about Hillary's 35-years of "experience." What has she done that no other voter, senator, or spouse of a president in the past 35-years? Where's the beef?
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Fri 22 Feb, 2008 05:45 pm
nimh wrote:
Finn dAbuzz wrote:


... and regular columnist for the National Review (thats where this piece was from).

Because there is noone as qualified to tell us what remorse or other sentiments liberals are experiencing right now than a NR columnist.


Of course he is. As if I was trying to hide the fact. This is how the print version copies.

In any case it doesn't seem as if Liberals have any problem telling us what conservatives think or feel.

I found it humerous. Perhaps you did not.I'm sure you're not suggesting that this thread should not be polluted with comments from the "other side."
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Fri 22 Feb, 2008 05:55 pm
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
nimh wrote:
Finn dAbuzz wrote:


... and regular columnist for the National Review (thats where this piece was from).

Because there is noone as qualified to tell us what remorse or other sentiments liberals are experiencing right now than a NR columnist.


Of course he is. As if I was trying to hide the fact. This is how the print version copies.

In any case it doesn't seem as if Liberals have any problem telling us what conservatives think or feel.

I found it humerous. Perhaps you did not.I'm sure you're not suggesting that this thread should not be polluted with comments from the "other side."


No way! I post stuff from The Corner all the time....

when it's good news for Obama of course Laughing

Cycloptichorn
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Butrflynet
 
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Fri 22 Feb, 2008 06:31 pm
Re: sozobe
BumbleBeeBoogie wrote:
Sozobe, I credit your support of Obama to your intelligent research of him and not sexism, obviously, because you are a very smart woman.

I, too, have always want to be able to vote for a woman president and I always thought the Republicans would be the first to offer a woman because they would never support a Democratic woman. Hillary Clinton, in my opinion, is the best prepared to be president from day one, especially for foreign policy issues.

Now, I've have always wanted to vote for an African-American for president. I wonder what would happen if a Black man and a Black woman were candidates at the same time? It turns out that the opportunity arose for a man and not a woman. I'm so dissapointed that two such talented people arose to run for president at the same time. What a dirty trick to play on those of us who dreamed of such opportunities. We had to choose. I chose the person whom I thought was best for the common good of the country at a dangerous time.

BBB


This may yet happen if McCain selects Condi Rice as his VP. That would certainly level the playing field and disprove the sexism/racist excuses for anyone winning or losing.
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Butrflynet
 
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Fri 22 Feb, 2008 06:39 pm
Re: BBB
BumbleBeeBoogie wrote:
Sadly, there are a lot of women who would never vote for a woman on a strictly gender basis.

BBB


Put up someone besides Billary Clinton, and I'll consider her. Better yet, get Hillary to kick Bill to the curb and run again in 8 years and I will vote for her.

Her husband has the dubious role of being her biggest asset and her largest piece of baggage. He offers nothing besides his name and that he used to be president and still wants to be. His presence in her campaign reminds people of why he shouldn't be in the same White House with her. Let her distance herself from him and spend the next 8 years out from under his shadow and she'll be a great candidate to vote for.
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spendius
 
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Fri 22 Feb, 2008 06:39 pm
He wouldn't do anything so silly surely?
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