joefromchicago
 
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Wed 20 Feb, 2008 10:11 am
okie wrote:
To tell you the truth, I am troubled as much by his supporters as I am Obama. He has tapped into a large segment of the population that has a very limited knowledge of politics and government...

I too have noticed that Obama has attracted the support of some Republicans.
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okie
 
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Wed 20 Feb, 2008 10:17 am
joefromchicago wrote:
okie wrote:
To tell you the truth, I am troubled as much by his supporters as I am Obama. He has tapped into a large segment of the population that has a very limited knowledge of politics and government...

I too have noticed that Obama has attracted the support of some Republicans.

Good one, joe.

I have a sense of humor.

By the way, I hope Obama beats Hillary.
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dyslexia
 
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Wed 20 Feb, 2008 10:18 am
joefromchicago wrote:
okie wrote:
To tell you the truth, I am troubled as much by his supporters as I am Obama. He has tapped into a large segment of the population that has a very limited knowledge of politics and government...

I too have noticed that Obama has attracted the support of some Republicans.
Yes I guess that Obama's base now includes the working class, the young, the educated and some republicans.
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Wed 20 Feb, 2008 10:21 am
Dys
dyslexia wrote:
joefromchicago wrote:
okie wrote:
To tell you the truth, I am troubled as much by his supporters as I am Obama. He has tapped into a large segment of the population that has a very limited knowledge of politics and government...

I too have noticed that Obama has attracted the support of some Republicans.
Yes I guess that Obama's base now includes the working class, the young, the educated and some republicans.


But does he like dogs? And do dogs like Obama?

BBB
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Wed 20 Feb, 2008 10:25 am
okie wrote:
joefromchicago wrote:
okie wrote:
To tell you the truth, I am troubled as much by his supporters as I am Obama. He has tapped into a large segment of the population that has a very limited knowledge of politics and government...

I too have noticed that Obama has attracted the support of some Republicans.

Good one, joe.

I have a sense of humor.

By the way, I hope Obama beats Hillary.


Luckily for you, it is nearly mathematically impossible for Hillary to win at this point.

Cycloptichorn
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cicerone imposter
 
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Wed 20 Feb, 2008 10:59 am
Cycloptichorn wrote:
okie wrote:
joefromchicago wrote:
okie wrote:
To tell you the truth, I am troubled as much by his supporters as I am Obama. He has tapped into a large segment of the population that has a very limited knowledge of politics and government...

I too have noticed that Obama has attracted the support of some Republicans.

Good one, joe.

I have a sense of humor.

By the way, I hope Obama beats Hillary.


Luckily for you, it is nearly mathematically impossible for Hillary to win at this point.

Cycloptichorn


Cyclo, Explain this, will you? Why is this so?
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Roxxxanne
 
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Wed 20 Feb, 2008 11:05 am
Clinton would need something like 65% of the remaining vote to pull even.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Wed 20 Feb, 2008 11:09 am
cicerone imposter wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
okie wrote:
joefromchicago wrote:
okie wrote:
To tell you the truth, I am troubled as much by his supporters as I am Obama. He has tapped into a large segment of the population that has a very limited knowledge of politics and government...

I too have noticed that Obama has attracted the support of some Republicans.

Good one, joe.

I have a sense of humor.

By the way, I hope Obama beats Hillary.


Luckily for you, it is nearly mathematically impossible for Hillary to win at this point.

Cycloptichorn


Cyclo, Explain this, will you? Why is this so?


She would have to have huge, landslide victories in TX and OH in order to overcome the 150-point lead in pledged delegates that Obama currently holds. It's very hard to see this happening. And even if it did, Obama is still far more likely to win many of the states further down the line; she would have to blow those out as well.

Hillary's campaign made a huge error; they didn't plan for Feb. at all. They basically ceded huge numbers of delegates to Obama in blowout wins, thinking that they could concentrate on the bigger states which have more; but the smaller states add up to FAR more delegates and MUCH more momentum. It was a mistake. Obama is now so far ahead that it's difficult for her to even catch up, and the media narrative will reflect this.

Look for Hillary to go massively negative. It's destructive to the party and she's going to get **** on for doing it, but she has no choice but to do so; every demographic other then older, white ladies (something I've been saying all along btw) has abandoned her campaign.

Cycloptichorn
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cicerone imposter
 
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Wed 20 Feb, 2008 11:09 am
Why is that 65% not achievable?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Wed 20 Feb, 2008 11:12 am
I agree that Hillary is going to turn up the negatives from now on, because she's getting desperate. That will in turn end up losing more votes for her. It shows she's for the power, and not for the good of the party - or the citizens.

I never liked Hillary, but my wife still plans to vote for her.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Wed 20 Feb, 2008 11:12 am
cicerone imposter wrote:
Why is that 65% not achievable?


Uh, b/c she hasn't won more then that 'cept for one state - Arkansas. It's very difficult to see her getting that much in any of the remaining states.

Cycloptichorn
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cicerone imposter
 
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Wed 20 Feb, 2008 11:14 am
But from what I've been reading, she has a good chance in TX. Isn't that so?
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sozobe
 
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Wed 20 Feb, 2008 11:21 am
Latest polls show it very close.

http://www.pollster.com/08TXPresDems.php

I think the point is that she may win -- but will it be a 65/35 split?
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Wed 20 Feb, 2008 11:21 am
cicerone imposter wrote:
But from what I've been reading, she has a good chance in TX. Isn't that so?


lol Nope. She doesn't have a good chance in TX. For a few reasons:

1, the polls have tightened mightily. Here's a graph!

http://www.pollster.com/08TXPresDems600.png

That's not a good sign for her. Note the meteoric rise in his numbers.

2, her national "latino" numbers have been slipping. Obama made a mistake in CA by not engaging the Latino crowd directly and lost b/c of it. I doubt they will make that same mistake twice.

3, Texas is 2/3 primary and 1/3 caucus. Obama is likely to win the caucus part regardless of how the popular vote goes. So Hillary's at a disadvantage there in terms of delegate allocation.

4, Thanks to the Republicans' redistricting, the African American and College crowds are very concentrated into certain districts. These districts have a high population, and will most certainly go Obama's way. Austin is a good example of this; with 7 or 8 delegates to hand out, Obama has a good chance to win 5 or 6 of them, if not 7!

Hillary on the other hand is relying on country counties for support. Many of these only have 3 or 4 delegates; she needs to beat him by more then 59% of the vote in order to take a decisive lead in those delegates, or they are going to split a lot of those counties. No advantage to her.

And 5, though this is anecdotal,

I don't think people understand the antipathy towards the Clintons in Texas. There are a lot of people who don't like them. Period. I have secured many votes for Obama from my relatives, with this simple pitch:

Quote:
You know, this may be your ONLY chance to ever vote against Hillary Clinton. Do you want to go to your grave knowing you passed that up?


They all laugh, but then agree.

I think that, barring a major collapse, Obama will win OH and TX. And it will be over on March 5th.

Cycloptichorn
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Roxxxanne
 
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Wed 20 Feb, 2008 11:22 am
cicerone imposter wrote:
But from what I've been reading, she has a good chance in TX. Isn't that so?


Even if she squeaks out a victory in Texas, Obama will collect more delegates.
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sozobe
 
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Wed 20 Feb, 2008 11:22 am
Wrong url, sorry:

http://www.pollster.com/08TXPresDems600.png
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Wed 20 Feb, 2008 11:24 am
Great minds, Soz!

Cycloptichorn
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Roxxxanne
 
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Wed 20 Feb, 2008 11:24 am
If Hillary wins 65% of the remaining vote, it will be the biggest comeback in our history. The only reasons this race hasn't been declared over is that the media is gun shy after NH and the myth that one should never "count out the Clintons."
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cicerone imposter
 
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Wed 20 Feb, 2008 11:29 am
Cyclo, The graph says it all; thanks for sharing that. I know about Austin, because our son lives there, and I have met with Perry (who no longer participates on a2k, but have kept in touch), and he's very active in Texas' politics.

I'll write to Perry to get his "inside" blog.
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sozobe
 
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Wed 20 Feb, 2008 11:30 am
:-) Cycloptichorn...

Roxxxanne wrote:
If Hillary wins 65% of the remaining vote, it will be the biggest comeback in our history. The only reasons this race hasn't been declared over is that the media is gun shy after NH and the myth that one should never "count out the Clintons."


We-el-lllll, I wouldn't go that far. A lot of stuff could happen yet.
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