Obama '08?

Obviously real noteworthy and well known accomplishments, huh, butrfly?

Whats this I hear about Obama supporters passing out at the events? Do they think they are at an old Beatles concert or what? That is hilarious. Also troubling.

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Same problem the crowds at Hillary's events had when waiting in a very hot room for the appearance of a candidate that is running two hours late.

They need better air conditioning in those buildings for large crowd capacity and the candidates need to make more effort to arrive on time.

How come you weren't commenting about the fainters in Hillary's audiences, Okie?

By the way, it happens at outdoor events too. I was at the rally in Oakland last June and had the misfortune of standing near a fenced in loudspeaker platform close to the stage when the twenty thousand people behind me started surging forward to hear better as Obama started speaking. I and a dozen others came close to passing out from the pain of being crushed up against the metal bars of that fence too. I had bruised hip bones for several days afterwards. I can only imagine the nightmare of crowd control for the people near the front in an enclosed, stuffy auditorium with thousands of people behind them. It isn't an experience I'd like to repeat.

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Your answer sounds somewhat plausible, but I tend to think Obama's following is becoming more than slightly troubling. It is not founded upon policies or platform, but platitudes, slogans, and all the trappings of celebrity worship.

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okie wrote:

Your answer sounds somewhat plausible, but I tend to think Obama's following is becoming more than slightly troubling. It is not founded upon policies or platform, but platitudes, slogans, and all the trappings of celebrity worship.

I support Obama, based upon his policies and his platform - not the least of which is the idea of working together with the Republican minority.

Cycloptichorn

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The "the idea of working together with the Republican minority" is not quite the same as working together with the Republican minority.

The former is not much different to yawning.

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OK, so this was a big whew! I was genuinely concerned. Among other things, it brushes back Hillary's attempts to go negative. If she'd won Wisconsin after all I think she would have taken it as a ratification of the approach she'd tried there -- lots of pokes at Obama. It didn't seem to help her at all, and nimh has interesting stats about how she is now perceived as being more unfair than Obama. (It used to be roughly equal.)

Other good news -- 2/3rds of independents in WI voted for Obama.

Looking pretty good...! Not the end of the line of course. (Rolls up sleeves and gets back to work in Ohio...)

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okie wrote:

Your answer sounds somewhat plausible, but I tend to think Obama's following is becoming more than slightly troubling. It is not founded upon policies or platform, but platitudes, slogans, and all the trappings of celebrity worship.

Is this thought of yours based on anything specific or does it simply feel like this is the case?

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For eoe -- not sure what colors you may have chosen, eoe. I went with a patriotic theme.

eoe wrote:

Hillary doesn't know what she's trying to say. Something along the lines of boo-hoo-hoo.

Yeeeeeeehaaaaaaaa!
(I don't know how to change color and font size)

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okie wrote:

Obviously real noteworthy and well known accomplishments, huh, butrfly?

Whats this I hear about Obama supporters passing out at the events? Do they think they are at an old Beatles concert or what? That is hilarious. Also troubling.

I'm attempting to understand your intended meaning with this post, I assume that to you it has meaning for why else would you have posted what you did?
I can only conclude a few thoughts;
1. You can hear
2. Obama supporters have passed out at events.
3. Beatles fans passed out at events.
4. The Beatles were more popular than jesus.
5. The wing nut christians of america boycotted the Beatles because they
were more popular than jesus.
6. The Beatles became even more popular.
7. Obama supporters passing out at events indicates that Obama is more
than jesus.
8. Okie thinks this is funny.
9. Okie also thinks this is troubling.
Or, perhaps, Okie just posted this because It seemed to have some
meaning that could be seen as negative re Obama.

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Thanks JPB! Very Happy

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FreeDuck wrote:

okie wrote:
Your answer sounds somewhat plausible, but I tend to think Obama's following is becoming more than slightly troubling. It is not founded upon policies or platform, but platitudes, slogans, and all the trappings of celebrity worship.

Is this thought of yours based on anything specific or does it simply feel like this is the case?

It is based on what Obama has become known for, "change." His supporters chant "change." Well, that tells me nothing, and frankly I've not been able to glean much out of what he says, beyond the platitudes. As Giuliani said, there is always change, but is it good change or bad change. To tell you the truth, I am troubled as much by his supporters as I am Obama. He has tapped into a large segment of the population that has a very limited knowledge of politics and government, except that they want something out of the government for themselves, and "change" represents that mindset. In other words, here is a guy that will give me everything I want and will make me successful.

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Okie wrote:

It is based on what Obama has become known for, "change." His supporters chant "change." Well, that tells me nothing, and frankly I've not been able to glean much out of what he says, beyond the platitudes. As Giuliani said, there is always change, but is it good change or bad change. To tell you the truth, I am troubled as much by his supporters as I am Obama. He has tapped into a large segment of the population that has a very limited knowledge of politics and government, except that they want something out of the government for themselves, and "change" represents that mindset. In other words, here is a guy that will give me everything I want and will make me successfull, which is a huge problem.

I do believe you have taken a high dive into the kiddie pool.

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okie wrote:

FreeDuck wrote:
okie wrote:
Your answer sounds somewhat plausible, but I tend to think Obama's following is becoming more than slightly troubling. It is not founded upon policies or platform, but platitudes, slogans, and all the trappings of celebrity worship.

Is this thought of yours based on anything specific or does it simply feel like this is the case?

It is based on what Obama has become known for, "change." His supporters chant "change." Well, that tells me nothing, and frankly I've not been able to glean much out of what he says, beyond the platitudes. As Giuliani said, there is always change, but is it good change or bad change. To tell you the truth, I am troubled as much by his supporters as I am Obama. He has tapped into a large segment of the population that has a very limited knowledge of politics and government, except that they want something out of the government for themselves, and "change" represents that mindset. In other words, here is a guy that will give me everything I want and will make me successful.

Please take a closer look at least the previous ten pages of this thread. You're attempting to bait some of us into territory (boring territory!) we've just been through. In other words, tell us something new. It's troubling, all this rehashing.

Thank you.

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One thing is quite evident, Obama supporters will never acknowledge concerns that I have raised are legitimate. I am not unlike many people saying, hey wait a minute, what is this guy really about and what does he really want to accomplish? After all, what else can you expect some of us to say when he has largely gotten where he is without really doing much or saying much of substance, beyond "change" and a few other platitudes. It seems to be working on alot of people for him, but all I am saying is that there are some of us out here that want to get beyond the surface at some point, and the next few months will give us that opportunity. That is assuming he ends up being the Democratic candidate, but it looks to me like he will be hard to stop now.

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dyslexia wrote:

I do believe you have taken a high dive into the kiddie pool.

Get lost, dys, or try to say something intelligent, someday you might do it.

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okie wrote:

One thing is quite evident, Obama supporters will never acknowledge concerns that I have raised are legitimate. I am not unlike many people saying, hey wait a minute, what is this guy really about and what does he really want to accomplish? After all, what else can you expect some of us to say when he has largely gotten where he is without really doing much or saying much of substance, beyond "change" and a few other platitudes. It seems to be working on alot of people for him, but all I am saying is that there are some of us out here that want to get beyond the surface at some point, and the next few months will give us that opportunity. That is assuming he ends up being the Democratic candidate, but it looks to me like he will be hard to stop now.

The Obama supporters on this thread have acknowledged your concerns--not too many pages ago. Again, please READ. Squint and mouth the words if it helps.

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okie wrote:

I am not unlike many people saying, hey wait a minute, what is this guy really about and what does he really want to accomplish?

Then you've come to the right place to start your research. Roll up your sleeves and get to work finding out who he is and what he wants to accomplish. Many of us here have done this and welcome you to do the same. You can start on page 1. I have some book recommendations for you if you need them.

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Heh...

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