blatham
 
  1  
Tue 25 Jul, 2006 07:35 am
snood wrote:
blatham wrote:
snood

Any blocking of Air America?


One would think so, but I can get Al Franken on streaming radio anytime. There is little rhyme or reason I can fathom to the parameters they use for what's acceptable and not.


Pleased to hear it. Perhaps the senior issue here (unlike Iraq, where the folks are blessed with Rush twice a day) is network security.
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blatham
 
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Tue 25 Jul, 2006 07:51 am
Regress.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2006/07/23/civil_rights_hiring_shifted_in_bush_era/?page=full
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sozobe
 
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Tue 25 Jul, 2006 08:07 am
Ugh. Yes, of the many reasons I'm looking forward to a changing of the guard after the 2008 elections, the cronyish and unqualified appointments are pretty high on the list. I would hope that not even any of the Republican candidates, if they win, would do quite so shoddy of a job.

Meanwhile, speaking of the 2008 elections, the racism stuff was getting somewhat far afield but was still connected by a thread, we're now getting entirely offtopic...
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cicerone imposter
 
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Tue 25 Jul, 2006 08:58 am
Thomas wrote:
Just curious: When your brother ran for local office (or was it state office?), how much of a role did his Asian race play for his campaign and his party's nomination? How many votes do you think he lost in the election because of non-Asian racists?

It's state office. My brother has many supporters outside of the Asian community including the California Medical Assn.: he won the last election with 76 percent of the votes cast. He was mayor of his town which is predominantly German.

It's my humble opinion that California is a "liberal" state that has accepted more controversial ideas than any other in the US.
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BernardR
 
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Wed 26 Jul, 2006 01:42 am
The fact is that in America Today, Senator Obama, who,it must be remembered was the President of the Prestigious Harvard Law Review( one needs to be very bright and very people oriented to gain such a post) will be judged in the last resort by the fact that when he was in Hawaii in Elementary School, he attended Schools based on Muslim Education for two years. Senator Obama writes of this in his authobiography. Only the future will let us know just how those two years affected his belief system.
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Thomas
 
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Wed 26 Jul, 2006 02:18 am
BernardR wrote:
Only the future will let us know just how those two years affected his belief system.

Would you consider it a liability if two years at a Muslim school had affected his belief system? Certainly president Bush would have no problem with it. In a speech titled "Islam is peace", Bush said, among other things:

Quote:
When we think of Islam we think of a faith that brings comfort to a billion people around the world. Billions of people find comfort and solace and peace. And that's made brothers and sisters out of every race -- out of every race.

Source: Whitehouse.gov

So, it's not a serious concern, and Republicans wouldn't cheapen themselves by using this non-concern for gratuitous insinuations and attack ads, would they?
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BernardR
 
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Wed 26 Jul, 2006 02:23 am
You may be right, Thomas, but then, again, you may not be. I have no scientific data to prove this but I am always very very suspicious of people who have come from a broken home. You are, of course, aware of the effect abandonment has on a child. You know, I am sure, that Senator Obama's Kenyan father deserted the family when Senator Obama was quite young and that Senator Obama was raised by his Caucasian mother and grandparents.

Such events cannot, in my opinion, fail to be of supreme importance in one's psyche. We can only hope that they have somehow been transmuted into positive forces. But, remembering Clinton's horrible home life and then viewing his psychological failings, I must remain distrustful!!
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Frank Apisa
 
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Wed 26 Jul, 2006 04:10 am
BernardR wrote:
You may be right, Thomas, but then, again, you may not be. I have no scientific data to prove this but I am always very very suspicious of people who have come from a broken home. You are, of course, aware of the effect abandonment has on a child. You know, I am sure, that Senator Obama's Kenyan father deserted the family when Senator Obama was quite young and that Senator Obama was raised by his Caucasian mother and grandparents.

Such events cannot, in my opinion, fail to be of supreme importance in one's psyche. We can only hope that they have somehow been transmuted into positive forces. But, remembering Clinton's horrible home life and then viewing his psychological failings, I must remain distrustful!!


This from someone who thinks the current moron in chief (a guy from a solid home) is something other than an incompetent, moron.

Egad!
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Thomas
 
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Wed 26 Jul, 2006 04:33 am
Frank Apisa wrote:
This from someone who thinks the current moron in chief (a guy from a solid home) is something other than an incompetent, moron.

Look at the bright side, Frank. BernardR's worst fear about Obama is that once in office, he might turn out as bad as Bill Clinton. Can you think of a tamer horror vision for swing voters and independents? If you do, I'd like to hear it.
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snood
 
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Wed 26 Jul, 2006 05:33 am
It wasn't massagatto's fault that was a tame vision of a 'worse-case' scenario.
It was his best attempt, up to the moment, at painting a horrible picture of an Obama presidency.

It just came out sounding tame because massagatto is an unrepentant and galactically stupid bigot, and that just happens to be the best he could do for now.

Be patient - he'll dig deep into that cesspool of a thing that passes for a mind, and soon be gracing us with something with a much more pungent stench.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Wed 26 Jul, 2006 08:45 am
Thomas wrote:
Frank Apisa wrote:
This from someone who thinks the current moron in chief (a guy from a solid home) is something other than an incompetent, moron.

Look at the bright side, Frank. BernardR's worst fear about Obama is that once in office, he might turn out as bad as Bill Clinton. Can you think of a tamer horror vision for swing voters and independents? If you do, I'd like to hear it.


Good point, Thomas. Excellent point.

If the worst this country has to fear is going back to a Bill Clinton type from this pathetic excuse for a president...

...things would be looking up big time.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Wed 26 Jul, 2006 09:25 am
The worst part of our form of government is the citizens inability to replace morons in the white house before their term is over, because our congress and supreme court are of the same party.
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SierraSong
 
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Wed 26 Jul, 2006 01:12 pm
This from an article entitled "If Only They'd Hissed Barack Obama" - pretty mild compared to some of the criticisms and comments you'll read at moveon.org or DU.

Quote:
Here is Obama, endlessly hailed as the brightest rising star in the Democratic firmament, delivering (at a closely watched political dinner, with Lieberman's primary opponent, Ned Lamont, sitting in the crowd) a ringing endorsement to his "mentor", Lieberman, Bush's closest Democratic ally on the war in Iraq, and overall pretty much a symbol of everything that's been wrong with the Democratic Party for the past twenty years.

What a slimy fellow Obama is, as befits a man symbolizing everything that will continue to be wrong with the Democratic Party for the next twenty years. Every time I look up he's doing something disgusting, like distancing himself from his fellow senator Dick Durbin for denouncing the torture center at Guantanamo, or cheerleading the nuke-Iran crowd.

http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn04072006.html
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snood
 
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Wed 26 Jul, 2006 01:19 pm
Well actually, that essay on Counterpunch was the worst criticism I'd read - and that was months ago. You got any of the supposedly more scathing stuff from moveon or DU?
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Dizzy Delicious
 
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Wed 26 Jul, 2006 01:27 pm
BernardR wrote:
The fact is that in America Today, Senator Obama, who,it must be remembered was the President of the Prestigious Harvard Law Review( one needs to be very bright and very people oriented to gain such a post) will be judged in the last resort by the fact that when he was in Hawaii in Elementary School, he attended Schools based on Muslim Education for two years. Senator Obama writes of this in his authobiography. Only the future will let us know just how those two years affected his belief system.


What has the Senator from Illinois done recently for all the poor Blacks in Chicago?
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blatham
 
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Wed 26 Jul, 2006 01:34 pm
Dizzy Delicious wrote:
BernardR wrote:
The fact is that in America Today, Senator Obama, who,it must be remembered was the President of the Prestigious Harvard Law Review( one needs to be very bright and very people oriented to gain such a post) will be judged in the last resort by the fact that when he was in Hawaii in Elementary School, he attended Schools based on Muslim Education for two years. Senator Obama writes of this in his authobiography. Only the future will let us know just how those two years affected his belief system.


What has the Senator from Illinois done recently for all the poor Blacks in Chicago?


Are you thinking of something specific which he has not done which you feel ought to be done?
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Frank Apisa
 
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Wed 26 Jul, 2006 02:07 pm
Hey...

...as you folks know, normally I am all over the American conservative movement and agenda...mostly because I consider it to be the most hypocritical, sleazy pocket of dung ever to gain prominence in a free society.


BUT...

...on this occasion I have come to praise them.

I think it is admirable that so many American conservative in this forum have come forward to speak to you good folks...Democrats and liberals...folks whom they normally would not deign to piss on if any of you burst into flames...

...to warn you not to make a mistake and back a candidate who obviously is a very, very weak choice.

And it almost is unnecessary to note that they are doing this despite the fact that it would be to their advantage to have the weakest possible candidate opposing the person they will back just as soon as they are told whom to back.

Damn nice of them!

They could just as easily keep their mouths shut and let you folks do the thing they sense will hurt you most in the 2008 election.

But...they are putting their sense of decency and integrity before expediency to warn you off this terrible mistake.

As I said...damn nice fo them.
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snood
 
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Wed 26 Jul, 2006 02:09 pm
Twisted Evil
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snood
 
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Wed 26 Jul, 2006 02:40 pm
Dizzy Delicious wrote:


What has the Senator from Illinois done recently for all the poor Blacks in Chicago?


For three years Barack Obama was the director of Developing Communities Project, an institutionally based community organization on Chicago's far south side.
http://www.dcpinc.org/images/obama.jpg


Here are some of the projects he was directly involved with...



Reading for Life Adult Literacy (RFL)
Reading for Life is an adult education program offering Adult Basic Education courses. Full-time staff and volunteers manage the program. The courses help prepare participants for continued education, job training and an enhanced quality of life. Group sessions and one-on-one tutoring are offered. All courses, tutoring and materials are free of charge.


ATOD Prevention
ATOD (Alcohol, Tobacco, and Other Drugs) is the focus of the prevention message that DCP brings to 6th, 7th, and 8th grade students in Greater Roseland schools. DCP's ATOD Prevention Specialist, trained in Botvin's and Allstars Programs, also instructs students in anger management, self-image, making healthy decisions, violence and media influence, coping with anxiety, communication and social skills, and conflict resolution. As part of its comprehensive school program, DCP organizes a Parent Conference and an ATOD Showcase each year.


Young Women's Leadership Development (YWLD)
This program provides a comprehensive support system for girls and young women. Emulating a similar project in San Francisco, YWLD offers guidance
in education, mental/physical health, leadership, self-esteem, and spiritual development. Emphasis is placed on creating a non-judgmental nurturing atmosphere in which young women may share experiences and learn from each other. The program is structured to provide a foundation for building life-long skills in the areas of parenting, community/political involvement, career development and economic empowerment.

He also worked for a civil rights law firm in Chicago.

I guess this counts as "recently"; he's been in politics since 1996 and any help of the poor after that would have to be found in the legislation he was for or against, and that's harder to find.

From what I've seen though, he comes pretty solidly down on the side of ordinary, or less fortunate folks.

What's your beef?
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Wed 26 Jul, 2006 03:35 pm
Frank Apisa wrote:
Hey...

...as you folks know, normally I am all over the American conservative movement and agenda...mostly because I consider it to be the most hypocritical, sleazy pocket of dung ever to gain prominence in a free society.


BUT...

...on this occasion I have come to praise them.

I think it is admirable that so many American conservative in this forum have come forward to speak to you good folks...Democrats and liberals...folks whom they normally would not deign to piss on if any of you burst into flames...

...to warn you not to make a mistake and back a candidate who obviously is a very, very weak choice.

And it almost is unnecessary to note that they are doing this despite the fact that it would be to their advantage to have the weakest possible candidate opposing the person they will back just as soon as they are told whom to back.

Damn nice of them!

They could just as easily keep their mouths shut and let you folks do the thing they sense will hurt you most in the 2008 election.

But...they are putting their sense of decency and integrity before expediency to warn you off this terrible mistake.

As I said...damn nice fo them.
Good to see you Frank, but that's just so much happy horseshit.

A. I think Obama is among the strongest potential candidates the Democrats could offer.

B. I want them to send their best man to force the Republicans to run a popular Moderate, rather than sending another dope that allows the Republicans to defeat them with another hardliner.
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