Miller
 
  1  
Mon 18 Feb, 2008 05:10 pm
JPB wrote:
This may already be here somewhere but I just saw on CNN that Texas Dems are polling Clinton 50%, Obama 48% with a 4.5% MoE (they're tied).


Don't believe the polls. Remember New Hampshire.
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Miller
 
  1  
Mon 18 Feb, 2008 05:11 pm
nappyheadedhohoho wrote:
The LATimes is reporting today that Obama had a secret meeting with Edwards yesterday - having "sneaked down to North Carolina".

Maybe he has the same deal with him.


Two sneaky guys? Crying or Very sad
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maporsche
 
  1  
Mon 18 Feb, 2008 05:17 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
Okay, on the theory that things like this sometimes gain legs, here is report of a rumor circulating around New York today. The 'money paragraph' in Armstrong Williams' most recent essay in "Human Events":

Quote:
The word on the street is that the Obama campaign and New York Mayor Mike Bloomberg have already met and devised an incredible plan if Clinton wins the nominee. Mayor Bloomberg would give nearly $1 billion to Obama's campaign after which Obama would bolt from the Democratic Party and run as an Independent candidate with king-maker Bloomberg as his running mate. The Obama campaign realizes that Obama is too new at this game and doesn't have the political weight of the Clintons to bring in the true heavy-hitters of the party's hierarchy. So, according to sources it was Bloomberg himself who suggested this cunning strategy. It's mind boggling that the Clintons are willing to destroy the entire Democratic Party, and potentially in the process lose the White House and seats in Congress, for their own selfish thirst for power and glory.
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=25021


Whatever happens, nobody can deny that this is one of the most interesting campaigns in quite awhile. It just gets curiouser and curiouser.


I underlined a section on the article.

Is this guys suggesting that Clinton should drop out of the race because supposedly Obama/Bloomberg are going to make a 3rd party run if Clinton is the democratic nominee?
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cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Mon 18 Feb, 2008 05:23 pm
Democratic Candidate.. TX..... WI..... WI
Pollster CNN PPP ARG
Date 2/15-17 2/16-17 2/15-16
Hillary Clinton............. 50%...40%.... 49%
Barack Obama............ 48%... 53%... 43%
Other(vol.).................. 2%..... 7%..... 8%

My prediction is that there will be a swing in favor of Obama as it gets closer to November.
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cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Mon 18 Feb, 2008 05:26 pm
As Clinton sees her lead shrink, she's going to get more desperate in how they carry their campaign; that's when people will see her true colors.


Clinton camp accuses Obama of plagiarism By BETH FOUHY, Associated Press Writer
32 minutes ago



DE PERE, Wis. - Top advisers to Hillary Rodham Clinton accused Democratic rival Barack Obama of plagiarism Monday, the latest effort by her campaign to undermine the Illinois senator's credibility.
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roger
 
  1  
Mon 18 Feb, 2008 05:28 pm
If Obama does go the third party or independent route, he'd best make it good the first time. There just won't be much party support for him if he has to try again in another four years.
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ebrown p
 
  1  
Mon 18 Feb, 2008 05:31 pm
roger wrote:
If Obama does go the third party or independent route, he'd best make it good the first time. There just won't be much party support for him if he has to try again in another four years.


This rumor is too silly to even respond to-- as is anyone who pays attention to Human Events about anything (especially inflammatory stories about Democrats).
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cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Mon 18 Feb, 2008 05:31 pm
I believe the risk of running as a third party candidate isn't worth it - especially this year when most republicans are voting for democrats over McCain.
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Foxfyre
 
  1  
Mon 18 Feb, 2008 05:37 pm
maporsche wrote:
Foxfyre wrote:
Okay, on the theory that things like this sometimes gain legs, here is report of a rumor circulating around New York today. The 'money paragraph' in Armstrong Williams' most recent essay in "Human Events":

Quote:
The word on the street is that the Obama campaign and New York Mayor Mike Bloomberg have already met and devised an incredible plan if Clinton wins the nominee. Mayor Bloomberg would give nearly $1 billion to Obama's campaign after which Obama would bolt from the Democratic Party and run as an Independent candidate with king-maker Bloomberg as his running mate. The Obama campaign realizes that Obama is too new at this game and doesn't have the political weight of the Clintons to bring in the true heavy-hitters of the party's hierarchy. So, according to sources it was Bloomberg himself who suggested this cunning strategy. It's mind boggling that the Clintons are willing to destroy the entire Democratic Party, and potentially in the process lose the White House and seats in Congress, for their own selfish thirst for power and glory.
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=25021


Whatever happens, nobody can deny that this is one of the most interesting campaigns in quite awhile. It just gets curiouser and curiouser.


I underlined a section on the article.

Is this guys suggesting that Clinton should drop out of the race because supposedly Obama/Bloomberg are going to make a 3rd party run if Clinton is the democratic nominee?


I don't have a clue what he means. I only posted it because, as I said, sometimes these things do develop legs. And if it does, then it belongs in the thread. No matter how rosy the glass anybody looks through though, it is looking more and more likely that there will be a brokered convention in which the super delegates choose the nominee and anybody who thinks that won't be messy is really out of it. Again, the word on the street is that such a situation would likely favor Hillary. The word could be dead wrong just as there may be nothing to this Obama/Bloomberg rumor.

But what if there is? Do you think most would rather be blindsided by it than to be aware that it might be coming?
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cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Mon 18 Feb, 2008 05:42 pm
If it has legs, it's sure going to be a long crawl.
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Butrflynet
 
  1  
Mon 18 Feb, 2008 05:44 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
Okay, on the theory that things like this sometimes gain legs, here is report of a rumor circulating around New York today. The 'money paragraph' in Armstrong Williams' most recent essay in "Human Events":

Quote:
The word on the street is that the Obama campaign and New York Mayor Mike Bloomberg have already met and devised an incredible plan if Clinton wins the nominee. Mayor Bloomberg would give nearly $1 billion to Obama's campaign after which Obama would bolt from the Democratic Party and run as an Independent candidate with king-maker Bloomberg as his running mate. The Obama campaign realizes that Obama is too new at this game and doesn't have the political weight of the Clintons to bring in the true heavy-hitters of the party's hierarchy. So, according to sources it was Bloomberg himself who suggested this cunning strategy. It's mind boggling that the Clintons are willing to destroy the entire Democratic Party, and potentially in the process lose the White House and seats in Congress, for their own selfish thirst for power and glory.
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=25021


Whatever happens, nobody can deny that this is one of the most interesting campaigns in quite awhile. It just gets curiouser and curiouser.



I see it as part of the ongoing barage of attacks from all sides in an effort to get Obama to concede the nomination to the Clintons, with each having different motives for doing so.
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nimh
 
  1  
Mon 18 Feb, 2008 05:46 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
I wonder if, during the next debate, that Obama will point out:

For Mrs. and Mr. Clinton, speeches do put food on the table!

Smile
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nimh
 
  1  
Mon 18 Feb, 2008 05:51 pm
snood wrote:
There is a troublesome story coming out of New York. The report is that Obama received ZERO votes in 80 districts in New York, and no one knows why. No small matter, since this could mean more pledged delegates he does or does not get. [..]

Seems awful fishy to me. Comments?

From what I read I'd gathered that this only happened in the first count, and that a review has already been done correcting those obvious errors. I've even seen specific data of what the vote in some of those districts is now, post-review. Hellfino where it was tho.
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Foxfyre
 
  1  
Mon 18 Feb, 2008 05:52 pm
Oh and there is THIS in the Huffington Post. Does anybody want to accuse Arianna Huffington of being a paid operative of the GOP? Admittedly it was three months ago, but apparently Armstrong Williams didn't make this stuff up.
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Butrflynet
 
  1  
Mon 18 Feb, 2008 05:59 pm
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/02/the-clinton-cam.html
February 18, 2008 11:33 AM

In a conference call just now the Clinton campaign would not guarantee
that Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, has never used someone else's
rhetoric without crediting them.

I asked Clinton communications director Howard Wolfson and Rep. Jim
McGovern, D-Mass, if they could assure the public that neither Clinton
nor McGovern has ever done what Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, did
when he used the rhetoric of Gov. Deval Patrick without footnoting him.

They would not.

In fact, Wolfson seemed to say it wouldn't be as big a deal if it were
discovered that Clinton had "lifted" such language.

"Sen. Clinton is not running on the strength of her rhetoric," Wolfson
said.
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spendius
 
  1  
Mon 18 Feb, 2008 05:59 pm
Foxy wrote-

Quote:
Does anybody want to accuse Arianna Huffington of being a paid operative of the GOP?


No. I don't.

I wouldn't dream of anything so ungallant as that.

I'm presuming that Arianna is a lady of course. One never knows these days.

I'm no stoolie.

Is she the lady who used to preside over those lunches in the Spectator offices on the big table?
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spendius
 
  1  
Mon 18 Feb, 2008 06:04 pm
It looks like they don't know it's a movie.
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nimh
 
  1  
Mon 18 Feb, 2008 06:10 pm
georgeob1 wrote:
The fact is the overall tendency of white voters in all the primaries so far has been more surprising in their preference for Obama than in any supposed continued racial antipathy. Odd that there has been so relatively little comment on that.

We must have been reading different articles. Perhaps all the commentary I've seen hailing the success Obama has had among whites, especially young whites, was all concentrated in those dastardly liberal blogs I read.

Personally, I agree up to a point - it is certainly encouraging to see Obama getting a large share of the white vote, and even in the South getting double-digit support among whites. Especially encouraging is his success among the youngest voters - about half of white voters aged under 30 voted for Obama in South Carolina, for example, more still in Georgia - not to mention states elsewhere in the country. Such things have certainly been commented (and cheered) on a lot here on A2K too; even just that nugget from SC must have been posted about a dozen times.

To my taste, perhaps even a little bit too much. I mean, it's great that even in the South, the kids apparently have no hesitation voting for a black man anymore (at least not in SC or GA; Alabama was another matter). But I mean - even in SC, Obama got a grand 24% of the overall white vote. OK, back then Edwards was still in the race, so the white vote was split three ways. But in Tennessee and Alabama, he also got just 25-26% of the white vote, and in Louisiana 30%, with Hillary taking a landslide of the white vote in each. Regardless of whether one posits that Hillary won that landslide purely on the basis of her personal appeal, or partly on the basis of being the white person in the race, I dont see a whole lot to celebrate in a black guy getting a quarter of the white vote. I know, I know - Jesse Jackson never even got out of the single digits; all I'm saying is that as long as people think it's "surprising," to use your word, or "encouraging" or whatnot, that a black man can get a quarter of the white vote in a certain state, race is still very much an issue in that state.
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cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Mon 18 Feb, 2008 06:13 pm
amen; those numbers speak for itself.
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Foxfyre
 
  1  
Mon 18 Feb, 2008 06:24 pm
nimh wrote:
georgeob1 wrote:
The fact is the overall tendency of white voters in all the primaries so far has been more surprising in their preference for Obama than in any supposed continued racial antipathy. Odd that there has been so relatively little comment on that.

We must have been reading different articles. Perhaps all the commentary I've seen hailing the success Obama has had among whites, especially young whites, was all concentrated in those dastardly liberal blogs I read.

Personally, I agree up to a point - it is certainly encouraging to see Obama getting a large share of the white vote, and even in the South getting double-digit support among whites. Especially encouraging is his success among the youngest voters - about half of white voters aged under 30 voted for Obama in South Carolina, for example, more still in Georgia - not to mention states elsewhere in the country. Such things have certainly been commented (and cheered) on a lot here on A2K too; even just that nugget from SC must have been posted about a dozen times.

To my taste, perhaps even a little bit too much. I mean, it's great that even in the South, the kids apparently have no hesitation voting for a black man anymore (at least not in SC or GA; Alabama was another matter). But I mean - even in SC, Obama got a grand 24% of the overall white vote. OK, back then Edwards was still in the race, so the white vote was split three ways. But in Tennessee and Alabama, he also got just 25-26% of the white vote, and in Louisiana 30%, with Hillary taking a landslide of the white vote in each. Regardless of whether one posits that Hillary won that landslide purely on the basis of her personal appeal, or partly on the basis of being the white person in the race, I dont see a whole lot to celebrate in a black guy getting a quarter of the white vote. I know, I know - Jesse Jackson never even got out of the single digits; all I'm saying is that as long as people think it's "surprising," to use your word, or "encouraging" or whatnot, that a black man can get a quarter of the white vote in a certain state, race is still very much an issue in that state.


Or is it only the writer pundits commenting on it that think it is 'surprising?' Which might suggest some latent racism on their part that would have nothing to do with why the people are voting in the south. Most of them probably have never ever lived in the south.
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