Obama '08?

Yes, somebody else posted that, too.

I can't really see it happening. I don't think they could win, and Obama has a bright future as of now even if he doesn't get the nomination. He's proved that he's no flash in the pan.

The other thing circulating in the rumor mill today is the fact that McCain, Obama, and Clinton are all three neglecting their senate responsibilities and holding any potential successors in limbo while they run for president. In 1996, the clamor was loud and persistent for Bob Dole to do the patriotic thing and resign his senate seat in order to run for President. And he did.

I haven't heard anybody clamoring for the current field to follow suit.

BBB
Armstrong Williams destroyed his credibility a long time ago. I might be more open to believing the story if it were reported by an ethical journalist and not a Republican pundit for hire.

BBB

Oh for gods sake. "The word on the street". Is this guy still on the Bush administration payroll. The word on the street is that he is.

Pundit for hire by GOP Armstrong Williams
Weekend Edition
January 15 / 16, 2005
Flacking for Big Tobacco
The Other Armstrong Williams Scandal
By BOB BURTON, Counter Punch

Conservative pundit Armstrong Williams has been under fire recently following revelations that he was paid $240,000 to promote the Bush administration's "No Child Left Behind" law. However, it isn't the first time that his media interests have been used as a mouthpiece for hidden interests.

Internal tobacco industry documents reveal that in 1996 Williams allowed his nationally syndicated radio program, The Right Side, to be guest hosted by Malcolm Wallop, the chairman of Frontiers of Freedom (FoF), a front group partly funded by tobacco companies.

Wallop proceeded to spend one third of the three-hour program as a platform to criticise a Food and Drug Administration rule aimed at restricting tobacco industry marketing aimed at youth, calling the rule an "abridgement of First Amendment rights."

In 1995 Williams Washington D.C. local talk radio program was syndicated to 60 stations around the country via the Talk America Radio Network.

Wallop, who retired as a Republican Senator from Wyoming in January 1995, founded Frontiers of Freedom immediately afterwards. In September 1995 he wrote to the Chairman and CEO of Philip Morris, Geoffrey Bible, notifying Bible that he would be "guest hosting the nationally syndicated" Armstrong Williams Show in October that year.

In his letter, Wallop emphasised that FoF was "committed to dramatic reform of the FDA and especially the total rebuke of President Clinton's rule involving the FDA and the tobacco industry" and stated that "our executive Director, Jeff Taylor, has already spoken to Roy Marden about a Phillip Morris (PM) spokesperson coming on as a guest to speak about the FDA assault on the First Amendment." Wallop also noted other political objectives of FoF including the repeal of the Endangered Species Act and the privatization of Social Security.

The letter came with an attached funding proposal, and Wallop was effusive in thanking PM for $10,000 that the tobacco company had already given get his group off the ground. "Your help has been and continues to be most important to our ability to keep going strong," he wrote.

Three weeks later PM's Roy Marden sent an e-mail around noting that in addition to PM's Steve Parrish, other guests on the program would include Tom Hyde from R.J. Reynolds (RJR) and possibly someone from Brown and Williamson, a subsidiary of British American Tobacco.

Marden revealed that the journalistic approach by researchers for Williams' program and FoF was to work collaboratively with its guests. "Armstrong Williams research staff is preparing info for Wallop as we speak, although it likely won't take much as he seems to be up to speed on much of this. Whatever documentation they have will be faxed to me later this week, so Steve can get a specific handle on what they are likely to discuss".

Over at RJR, Maura Ellis wondered whether the panel Wallop was assembling was too heavily stacked with tobacco industry heavies to be credible. "Does this sound worth doing to you two? Too many tobacco people? What if we could recommend a third party to broaden the opposition base, rather than three manufacturers?" she wrote in an e-mail.

While the program was originally scheduled for October 1995, a later FoF document sent to the Lorillard Tobacco Company refers to it occurring in January 1996. "The three hour show featured one hour on the FDA rule on tobacco and its abridgement of First Amendment rights, one hour on privatizing Social Security with the argument that Social Security is a property right ­ the fruits of one's own labor, and one hour on the anti-terrorism debate and privacy rights," FoF's Taylor wrote.

The following year Wallop sent a funding pitch for $15,000 to Loews Corporation, highlighting his guest hosting of the Armstrong Williams show as one of the successes of Frontiers of Freedom's year. "Like any professional public policy group, we try to match up our contributors with specific issue areas We see the FDA rule for exactly what it is ­ an abridgement of the First Amendment to make a political gain."

Wallop's enthusiasm for the tobacco industry was not that far from the views of Williams himself. In a July 1996 column in the ''Washington Times'', Williams criticised moves by the Clinton Administration and the Food and Drug Administration to regulate tobacco.

The Democrats, Williams complained, "have no qualms about imposing their tastes and preferences on America through legislation or the regulatory force of the Food and Drug Administration. They will even disregard the First Amendment to prohibit companies from advertising a product they dislike."

"I don't thinks smoking is good, and I would never smoke myself. But I don't think David Kessler and the Food and Drug Administration should make that decision for me," he wrote.

The relationship between Williams' program and the tobacco industry had formed some time earlier. In late 1994 Bob Brown, the founder, CEO and Chairman of the North Carolina based African American public relations company B&C Associates, distributed a media kit touting Armstrong Williams syndicated radio talk show, The Right Side.

Williams had been B&C's vice president for governmental and international affairs until he established his own PR company, the Graham Williams Group.

One recipient of Brown's correspondence was John W. Singleton, Jr., the Manager of Public Communications over at the tobacco company, R.J. Reynolds. In an internal RJR memo, Singleton revealed that he harbored some concerns after reading a Washington Post article which stated Williams "has never drank, smoked, done drugs or used profanity."

While noting that he saw "little potential downside in providing him with background information on some of our important issues, especially those related to excessive government interference and personal freedom," Singleton wrote "I cannot help but wonder what someone so pure of spirit thinks of our industry."

By the time Singleton responded directly to Williams, he had been reassured. "We sincerely appreciate your willingness to make sure that on issues of public debate and controversy all points of view are considered," Singleton wrote to Williams on October 7 1994 attaching some background material on "key tobacco industry issues."

Williams also had direct contact with another tobacco industry giant, Philip Morris. In his capacity as CEO of the Graham Williams Group, he wrote a letter in late September 1994 to the Chairman of Philip Morris, William Murray, expressing concern that the company might cut its sponsorship of the 1995 Black Expo USA, which showcased African American businesses.

After thanking PM for its past support, Williams warned that the event would "not be possible without corporate support." In 1994 PM had given $135,000 for its sponsorship of the event. "You have demonstrated your serious commitment to the African American consumer in the past and I hope you will continue to do so," Williams wrote.

Edna Moore, PM's Group Manager of Event Marketing, reassured Williams that there was no doubt about their ongoing support but explained that the review was to ensure that the Benson & Hedges cigarette brand "marketing objectives have been realized."

This week Armstrong has been eating humble pie this week for taking money to pen newspaper columns promoting the Bush Administration's No Child Left Behind legislation. In a plea for understanding Williams stated that his company had never worked on a government contract before and "nor have we ever received compensation for an issue that I subsequently reported on." Without a listing of his current and past corporate advertisers, however, it is impossible to know whether there have been other undisclosed conflicts of interest.

And Williams has yet to apologize for allowing his radio program to be used by a tobacco industry funded group as a platform to attack FDA moves aimed at preventing youth from becoming the victim of the industry's deadly products.

Leave it to the radical leftwingers to make the messenger the target rather than the message. I have learned to expect nothing less.

Foxfyre


You response is what I expected since you often attack the messenger when you don't like the article's content.

BBB

I didn't even comment on the article or the author of it BBB. I only commented on the apparent motive of the member posting it as it is obvious why it was posted.

I don't know anything about Armstrong Williams and I don't care. I do think it will be really interesting if the rumor he reported--he didn't manufacture it--turns out to have something to it. I would think all thinking people would find that interesting. Soz's response is the only measured one--it seems unlikely. But how likely did a brokered convention look when all this started out either?

And my final observation from the rumor mill is the bruhaha today over the Clinton campaign charging Obama with plagarism. (Remember that Joe Biden was forced to resign as candidate for President in 1988 when he was caught using plagarized material in a speech.)

Curiously enough, Obama's defenders are defending him on the basis that he is 'inexperienced' and therefore can be cut some slack.

Well.....okay......but doesn't that give more ammunition to those who oppose him on the basis of inexperience?

Like I said. It gets curiouser and curiouser.

That's not what I've been seeing re: the "plagiarism" charge.

Here's a sample of what I have been seeing:



http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/02/18/more-on-the-war-over-words

Re: BBB


In other words if it were reported by a journalist you liked?

I see a trend in this campaign that I believe will continue until November; Obama will gain more voters as it gets closer to election day. This is because more people are realizing that Clinton is in this for power only, and really not for the people she says she is for. People will see through this facade as she speaks to more people.

The people who see and listen to Obama will realize that Obama is really for the people and Americans; he will be more of a team player by listening to experts and make the right decisions. Clintonn, on the other hand, will think she already knows it all.

A dangerous prescription for disaster.

Like you, Soz, I think it will probably be much ado about nothing. Hillary has indeed co-opted Obama's slogan phrases, but this is pretty routine in the battle of words during a campaign and not the same thing as using somebody else's (unrelated) speech and presenting it as your own without giving due credit. I just don't think Hillary will ever be able to seriously wound Obama on any character issue, however. I just note parallels from other times and how none of the rules seem to apply (on either side) in this campaign. Curiouser and curiouser.

Here's the word from "The Swamp"

The LATimes is reporting today that Obama had a secret meeting with Edwards yesterday - having "sneaked down to North Carolina".

Maybe he has the same deal with him.

For anyone not aware of the background, the issue is about a speech Obama made with the repeated refrain "just words?" (MLK, Declaration of Independence, etc.) Deval Patrick has used very similar language, including the "just words?" refrain. (They're both good speakers and have both had to parry similar criticisms.) Patrick's response:



I don't think anyone is saying that Obama presented an entire, word-for-word speech as his own? It's more about elements.

Obama went ahead and said he should have given Patrick credit, though, even though Patrick says:



(Both quotes also from "The Swamp.")

Yeah, I tend to think it won't amount to much, but we'll see.

That's been widely reported, yeah. They canceled an earlier meeting after there were reporters staked out on Edwards' lawn and stuff.



Some sort of third-party deal you mean?

Anthony Burgess, in his fictionalised and heavily researched account of the early years of Christianity, wrote-



And we had Mrs Thatcher for longer than most of us care to remember. There were well sourced stories that she effectively started the first Gulf War by calling Mr Bush Snr on the hairs on his balls.

Up to then the policy had looked to be to allow SH to have Kuwait.

And her son got very rich very quick.

At least he didn't have her knocked off as Agrippina's son did his Mom.

Her favourite expression to her claque when someone displeased her was "Shall we withdraw our love?"

This may already be here somewhere but I just saw on CNN that Texas Dems are polling Clinton 50%, Obama 48% with a 4.5% MoE (they're tied).

Wow, that's a big difference from what was reported before.

Which opens up the possibility that there might be big differences to follow shortly in order to keep you all entertained.

It's a movie. Edge of the seat job. Intelligently designed.

Not like here. Mr Al Fayed has said some pretty nasty stuff in the witness box today in the Princess Di inquest.

That's really entertaining. He's said that half the Royal Family, half a dozen Lords, the heads of MI5 and 6 and a few more should all be behind bars doing life. And there's sex in it too. And the CIA is in the frame as well. And some French top brass.

And a lot of people here believe him too.

Increasing the capital gains tax from 15% to 25-40% is a very dangerous action.