Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Thu 14 Feb, 2008 09:14 am
RASMUSSEN National Poll at 11 AM: Obama Takes Double Digit Lead: Obama 49% to Clinton 37%; Obama leads among women 46% to 41%... Developing...

OBAMARAMA

Cycloptichorn
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mysteryman
 
  1  
Thu 14 Feb, 2008 09:21 am
Re: mysteryman
BumbleBeeBoogie wrote:
mysteryman wrote:
I have to wonder about some of Obama's supporters.
Do they really support the guy on the flag, or are they just stupid???
http://lonestartimes.com/2008/02/11/obama-office-adores-psychotic-marxist-thug/
I realize the article is slightly biased in the way it was written, but there is no denying the fact that there is a Che Guevara flag hanging in the local office of Obama in Houston.
I wonder what he (Obama) thinks about it.


FOX clarification: The office featured in this video is funded by volunteers of the Barack Obama Campaign and is not an official headquarters for his campaign.


I didnt see that FOX clarification.
But, what would the reaction be if a John McCain office funded by volunteers had a swastika flag flying on its wall?
Would you and other dems accept it because it wasnt an "official office" or would you be raising all kinds of hell about it?
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blatham
 
  1  
Thu 14 Feb, 2008 09:29 am
georgeob1 wrote:
spendius wrote:
I must admit that I found Thomas's pomposities a mite ridiculous myself.


How could YOU possibly tell?? :wink:


Goal! Goal! Goal!
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blatham
 
  1  
Thu 14 Feb, 2008 09:31 am
fbaezer wrote:
"Hail! Hail! Foreignervania
We sing to your mountains
And your turnip cakes..."


Gotta learn it by heart.


Stand with us brother, and sing...sing.
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blatham
 
  1  
Thu 14 Feb, 2008 09:48 am
joefromchicago wrote:
blatham wrote:
Hail! Hail! Foreignervania
We sing to your mountains
And your turnip cakes...

... white with foam
From thy marshes to thy swampland,
Be thee ever free from cholera,
Oh Foreignervania, forever damp
And our home for now!


"And our home for now!"

That final eloquent line has always moved me so.
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Gargamel
 
  1  
Thu 14 Feb, 2008 09:50 am
Re: mysteryman
mysteryman wrote:
BumbleBeeBoogie wrote:
mysteryman wrote:
I have to wonder about some of Obama's supporters.
Do they really support the guy on the flag, or are they just stupid???
http://lonestartimes.com/2008/02/11/obama-office-adores-psychotic-marxist-thug/
I realize the article is slightly biased in the way it was written, but there is no denying the fact that there is a Che Guevara flag hanging in the local office of Obama in Houston.
I wonder what he (Obama) thinks about it.


FOX clarification: The office featured in this video is funded by volunteers of the Barack Obama Campaign and is not an official headquarters for his campaign.


I didnt see that FOX clarification.
But, what would the reaction be if a John McCain office funded by volunteers had a swastika flag flying on its wall?
Would you and other dems accept it because it wasnt an "official office" or would you be raising all kinds of hell about it?


Are you seriously comparing a Che flag to a swastika?

I didn't realize Che methodically attempted to exterminate an entire race of people. I guess I also forgot that he started WWII--thanks for the reminder. Also, I didn't realize Hitler spend his youth as a young man studying medicine, travelling through South America, sympathizing with the impoverished.

Awesome!
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Gargamel
 
  1  
Thu 14 Feb, 2008 09:53 am
cjhsa wrote:
Since Illinois keeps having shootings in "gun free zones", now they are trying to ban ammo. Let's further deny the rights of law abiding citizens to protect themselves (not to mention hunt for sustenance).

Remember, Osamabama is from Illinois.

Illinois is mentally retarded.

Seriously, I wouldn't go to Chicago unless I could get ahold of Harry Potter's Cloak of Invisibility. Effing police state.


Please don't come here.

We prefer you yokels back in dem dar woods, breeding with your kin.
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eoe
 
  1  
Thu 14 Feb, 2008 09:59 am
high five 2 times gargamel Very Happy
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Gargamel
 
  1  
Thu 14 Feb, 2008 10:01 am
eoe wrote:
high five 2 times gargamel Very Happy


Slap, slap.
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mysteryman
 
  1  
Thu 14 Feb, 2008 10:02 am
Re: mysteryman
Gargamel wrote:
mysteryman wrote:
BumbleBeeBoogie wrote:
mysteryman wrote:
I have to wonder about some of Obama's supporters.
Do they really support the guy on the flag, or are they just stupid???
http://lonestartimes.com/2008/02/11/obama-office-adores-psychotic-marxist-thug/
I realize the article is slightly biased in the way it was written, but there is no denying the fact that there is a Che Guevara flag hanging in the local office of Obama in Houston.
I wonder what he (Obama) thinks about it.


FOX clarification: The office featured in this video is funded by volunteers of the Barack Obama Campaign and is not an official headquarters for his campaign.


I didnt see that FOX clarification.
But, what would the reaction be if a John McCain office funded by volunteers had a swastika flag flying on its wall?
Would you and other dems accept it because it wasnt an "official office" or would you be raising all kinds of hell about it?


Are you seriously comparing a Che flag to a swastika?

I didn't realize Che methodically attempted to exterminate an entire race of people. I guess I also forgot that he started WWII--thanks for the reminder. Also, I didn't realize Hitler spend his youth as a young man studying medicine, travelling through South America, sympathizing with the impoverished.

Awesome!


Your sarcasm is noted!!!
But you fail to note that Che was a guerilla, he attempted to overthrow lawful, legal govts, he used terror tactics and criminal actions to aquire his goals, he committed murder, he worked with and for a while was Castro's second in command, he tried to foment rebellion in the Congo and Bolivia.

Of course lets not forget that he was the "supreme prosecutor" in Cuba after the revolution, and was responsible for the execution of hundreds of military and civilian leaders associated with the previous regime.

But, you feel free to ignore that part, because it doesnt match with your idolizing him.

But, you still didnt answer my original question.
Would you accept an swastika hanging in a McCain office because it wasnt an "official" office?
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Thomas
 
  1  
Thu 14 Feb, 2008 10:06 am
fishin wrote:
Just one of many examples (and he's repeated this one several times in various incarnations):

"Medicare, which is a universal health insurance program for older Americans, spends less than 2 cents of every dollar on administrative costs, leaving 98 cents to pay for medical care."

http://select.nytimes.com/2006/09/22/opinion/22krugman.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

He knows full well that that is a flat out lie. The "less than 2 cents" claim has been debunked hundreds of times and it's been proven that the claim relies on prentending numerous Medicare administrative costs don't exist.

Fine. If it's been debunked hundreds of times, please give me a link to the best rebuttal, and I'll take a look. Until then, I'll reserve judgment on whether the rebuttal is debunking the claim or not.

<back to the moving boxes in foreignervania, where Joe's and Blatham's recital of its anthem is driving tears into my eyes.>
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nimh
 
  1  
Thu 14 Feb, 2008 10:12 am
Re: mysteryman
mysteryman wrote:
But, you still didnt answer my original question.
Would you accept an swastika hanging in a McCain office because it wasnt an "official" office?

I think a Che flag is in bad taste, while a swastika is unacceptable. The difference may have something to do with the swastika referring to mass genocide across an entire continent, 6 million exterminated Jews, all that. Che Guevara may have been a ruthless and loathsome figure (and anyone who primarily associates Che with the romanticized movie image of this guy "studying medicine, travelling through South America, sympathizing with the impoverished" should read that thread) -- but come on, he was no Hitler.

Instead, I would compare any Che flag waving with the rapturous welcome that an extensive group of Republican Party honchos gave to Jonas Savimbi, Angolan guerrilla leader-cum-mass murderer, when he came to visit Washington DC in the late 80s. (There was a hell of an article about that in TNR several years ago, but unfortunately their archives are not online these days..). Bad taste and bad judgement, but not talking swastikas.
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Gargamel
 
  1  
Thu 14 Feb, 2008 10:18 am
Re: mysteryman
mysteryman wrote:
Gargamel wrote:
mysteryman wrote:
BumbleBeeBoogie wrote:
mysteryman wrote:
I have to wonder about some of Obama's supporters.
Do they really support the guy on the flag, or are they just stupid???
http://lonestartimes.com/2008/02/11/obama-office-adores-psychotic-marxist-thug/
I realize the article is slightly biased in the way it was written, but there is no denying the fact that there is a Che Guevara flag hanging in the local office of Obama in Houston.
I wonder what he (Obama) thinks about it.


FOX clarification: The office featured in this video is funded by volunteers of the Barack Obama Campaign and is not an official headquarters for his campaign.


I didnt see that FOX clarification.
But, what would the reaction be if a John McCain office funded by volunteers had a swastika flag flying on its wall?
Would you and other dems accept it because it wasnt an "official office" or would you be raising all kinds of hell about it?


Are you seriously comparing a Che flag to a swastika?

I didn't realize Che methodically attempted to exterminate an entire race of people. I guess I also forgot that he started WWII--thanks for the reminder. Also, I didn't realize Hitler spend his youth as a young man studying medicine, travelling through South America, sympathizing with the impoverished.

Awesome!


Your sarcasm is noted!!!
But you fail to note that Che was a guerilla, he attempted to overthrow lawful, legal govts, he used terror tactics and criminal actions to aquire his goals, he committed murder, he worked with and for a while was Castro's second in command, he tried to foment rebellion in the Congo and Bolivia.

Of course lets not forget that he was the "supreme prosecutor" in Cuba after the revolution, and was responsible for the execution of hundreds of military and civilian leaders associated with the previous regime.

But, you feel free to ignore that part, because it doesnt match with your idolizing him.

But, you still didnt answer my original question.
Would you accept an swastika hanging in a McCain office because it wasnt an "official" office?


General drift of your point taken.

But I think the FOX caveat says a lot. Obama has a lot of young supporters volunteering. And let's face it, a large percentage of college-aged volunteers are going through an obligatory "Che phase." They're probably into Kerouac big-time right now, too.

It's been noted a bajillion times on this thread the importance of drilling through campagin hype and rhetoric and taking a close look at the issues. So lets make it a bajillion-and-one.
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nimh
 
  1  
Thu 14 Feb, 2008 10:25 am
nimh wrote:
Instead, I would compare any Che flag waving with the rapturous welcome that an extensive group of Republican Party honchos gave to Jonas Savimbi, Angolan guerrilla leader-cum-mass murderer, when he came to visit Washington DC in the late 80s. (There was a hell of an article about that in TNR several years ago, but unfortunately their archives are not online these days..). Bad taste and bad judgement, but not talking swastikas.


Ah, it's online on another site - back in 2003, it was: ARE FOREIGN REBEL LEADERS DUPING THE AMERICAN RIGHT, AGAIN?. It's an article about Chalabi and how the Republicans were being duped by him, actually, but it hilariously delves into the earlier Savimbi episode as comparison.

I think cheering Savimbi on with chants of U-NI-TA!, as the Conservative Political Action Committee did at the time, that's more comparable with what it would be like if a group of Dem politicians would cheer on Che. Except in this case, of course, we're not talking Dem politicians but local campaign volunteers, and they're not inviting and cheering on someone like Che, but just hung one of those flags with that uebertrendy image of his face on it on the wall, the kind that you see wafting in tenfold over any rock festival.

How such a cruel political figure has been turned into a commodity item for teenagers worldwide looking for something that will make them look rebellious for $10 is a farce of a story, but thats how it is. It's silly to act like kids waving a Che flag or wearing one of those ubiquitous Che t-shirts (or pinning one of those flags on a wall) are in any way promoting totalitarian communism of the kind Guevara helped to impose. They're just being stupid.
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sozobe
 
  1  
Thu 14 Feb, 2008 04:51 pm
Michelle's going to be at OSU tomorrow!

May go to that.
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dyslexia
 
  1  
Thu 14 Feb, 2008 04:52 pm
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Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Thu 14 Feb, 2008 04:55 pm
With this news, Obama's overall lead shrinks to 42 delegates, per CNN. His lead in Pledged delegates shrinks to 119, per CNN.

Cycloptichorn
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
  1  
Thu 14 Feb, 2008 04:56 pm
all that for one delegate?
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sozobe
 
  1  
Thu 14 Feb, 2008 04:56 pm
Couldn't you have voted just 1,710 more times, Dys? Would that have been so difficult?

Quote:
State Democratic Chairman Brian Colon made the announcement after a marathon hand count of 17,000


Appropriately enough, it was a marathon announcement. I couldn't believe how long he managed to stretch things out before getting to the NUMBERS.
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dyslexia
 
  1  
Thu 14 Feb, 2008 04:59 pm
sozobe wrote:
Couldn't you have voted just 1,710 more times, Dys? Would that have been so difficult?

Quote:
State Democratic Chairman Brian Colon made the announcement after a marathon hand count of 17,000


Appropriately enough, it was a marathon announcement. I couldn't believe how long he managed to stretch things out before getting to the NUMBERS.
Do you realize I had to hand write Kucinich on over 1,000 ballots? Do you have any idea how long that takes when you don't know how to write in cursive? Laughing
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