sozobe
 
  1  
Wed 6 Feb, 2008 01:37 pm
Here we go!

Quote:
Asked about Clinton's recent comment that she would not allow herself to be victimized by the type of attacks leveled against Sen. John Kerry in the 2004 race, Obama said he had been vetted by his opponent in the nominating campaign.

"I have to just respond by saying that the Clinton research operation is about as good as anybody's out there," he said.

"I assure you that having engaged in a contest against them for the last year that they've pulled out all the stops. And you know I think what is absolutely true is whoever the Democratic nominee is the Republicans will go after them. The notion that somehow Senator Clinton is going to be immune from attack or there's not a whole dump truck they can't back up in a match between her and John McCain is just not true."


http://my.earthlink.net/article/top?guid=20080206/47a93ed0_3421_1334520080206-1394796869
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blatham
 
  1  
Wed 6 Feb, 2008 01:42 pm
from Krugman on the Hillary Fox debate idea

Quote:
February 5, 2008, 4:08 pm
Stupid
OK, a criticism on the other side: Hillary should not agree to debate on Fox News. Fox is part of movement conservatism; no progressive should help it maintain the pretense that it's an objective news organization.
Update: Matt Stoller says there's shared blame:
Considering Obama's been all over Fox News this past month and that he promised to go on O'Reilly after the primaries, and that Moveon screwed over Clinton after she voted against the censure when Obama did not, I am inclined to cut her some slack here.
I didn't know that. Both of them should cut Fox dead.
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/

finn
No data available on the Sacred Heart poll other than that 800 phone calls were made nationally. No information on questions asked. No information on randomization.

A poll tells you little other than what those polled believe to be so. A poll of Arkansas citizens in 1961 inquiring as to whether blacks are as intelligent as whites would tell you what?

That there is something seriously amiss in the Sacred Heart University study is apparent where Fox is 'found' to be much less biased than PBS Newshour. For a simple example, the Newshour has had John Yoo as a guest at least two dozen times. A comparable example would be Fox having Noam Chomsky on two dozen times, for 10 or 15 minute segments, and respectfully listening while Chomsky would argue whatever question might be at issue.

If you want to improve you knowledge on this matter (which I doubt), you could turn to this study... http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/international_security_bt/102.php?nid=&id=&pnt=102&lb=brusc

One finding of many, which doesn't depend upon a rather valueless assessment of opinions on bias, but rather upon an assessment of whether viewers/listeners come away informed or misinformed is shown below...

 http://forums.therandirhodesshow.com/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=13929
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kickycan
 
  1  
Wed 6 Feb, 2008 01:49 pm
OCCOM BILL wrote:
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/6137/tied2ve6.jpg


Hey, Bill, what site is this from? I would love to check it out.
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Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Wed 6 Feb, 2008 01:49 pm
Intrade.com

Cycloptichorn
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kickycan
 
  1  
Wed 6 Feb, 2008 01:50 pm
Thanks.
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nimh
 
  1  
Wed 6 Feb, 2008 02:03 pm
eoe wrote:

Yeah, I posted it on the "Best and worst of campaign ads" thread (tho its not an ad, of course). I like it. Anastasia loved it.

And its reach has been mindblowing. It was first posted on YouTube on Feb.2 - just four days ago. Now, if you go to YouTube's Most Viewed Videos This Week, two separate copies of this video are ranked #4 and #5 -- and those two copies alone have gotten 3,7 million views. That's a million a day. And add to that the many other copies on YouTube, the views on the Obama site, and of course the views that the project's own website, http://www.dipdive.com, must have gotten -- dude!
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Gala
 
  1  
Wed 6 Feb, 2008 02:07 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Sour grapes Gala.

Nice free advertising this morning in PA which could turn out to be important:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2117/2245893355_9b7b05d34e_o.jpg

Obama's in a great position today. With momentum and a fired-up base, he can look to winning 7/8 of the remaining primaries in February, all of which look good for him. This will build on his existing money advantage and lead to a nice even playing field in TX and OH.

Cycloptichorn


Psycho-- sour grapes? Not at all. I would like Obama to get the nomination, I just can't stand the hype and the worship of him.
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sozobe
 
  1  
Wed 6 Feb, 2008 02:12 pm
I do think that it's healthy to be suspicious of hype.

Yeah, that video! I've seen it referred to about a million-zillion times by now. All over the place plus emails. I watched it and liked it fine -- what I liked best about it was the person signing in the middle, especially that she seems to actually be deaf -- but wow, it's really getting around.
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georgeob1
 
  1  
Wed 6 Feb, 2008 02:25 pm
blatham wrote:
from Krugman on the Hillary Fox debate idea

Quote:
February 5, 2008, 4:08 pm
Stupid
OK, a criticism on the other side: Hillary should not agree to debate on Fox News. Fox is part of movement conservatism; no progressive should help it maintain the pretense that it's an objective news organization.
Update: Matt Stoller says there's shared blame:
Considering Obama's been all over Fox News this past month and that he promised to go on O'Reilly after the primaries, and that Moveon screwed over Clinton after she voted against the censure when Obama did not, I am inclined to cut her some slack here.
I didn't know that. Both of them should cut Fox dead.
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/


What the hell is "movement conservatism"?? Is there such a thing as movement progressivism or liberalism?

Interesting to note how given Krugman is given to boycotts and censorship. It doesn't reflect well on his respect for the liberty of others. Perhaps that is a central tenant pf progressivism -- progressives know what is really good for us and it is their right - indeed it is incumbent on them - to see to it that we comply with the innate wisdom of the vanguard of the progressive class..
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Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Wed 6 Feb, 2008 03:21 pm
http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/02/hillary_loaned_her_campaign_5.php

Quote:
Hillary Loaned Her Campaign $5 Million, Spokesperson Confirms
By Greg Sargent - February 6, 2008, 3:30PM

This morning, Mark Halperin floated an intriguing question: Are the Clintons financing Hillary's campaign with their own money?

Now the Clinton campaign has finally answered: Yes, they are. Hillary spokesperson Howard Wolfson sends over the following:

Late last month Senator Clinton loaned her campaign $5 million.The loan illustrates Sen. Clinton's commitment to this effort and to ensuring that our campaign has the resources it needs to compete and win across this nation. We have had one of our best fundraising efforts ever on the web today and our Super Tuesday victories will only help in bringing more support for her candidacy.

The revelation suggests another emerging dynamic in the race: Now that the campaigns are committed to grinding it out for weeks and weeks, perhaps all the way until the convention. The Hillary camp faces the prospect of being dramatically outspent by the Obama campaign, which has enjoyed huge fundraising success.

In January, for instance, Obama raised $32 million -- well over double the $13.5 million Hillary raised in the same month. This perhaps explains the self-financing loan at the end of last month.

More in a bit.

Late Update: Wolfson confirms to me that the $13.5 million that Hillary raised in January does not include this $5 million.


Never a good sign.

Cycloptichorn
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Ramafuchs
 
  1  
Wed 6 Feb, 2008 03:22 pm
"Movement conservatism"

C.Rossiter's view
"Conservatism is the worship of dead Revolutions."
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snood
 
  1  
Wed 6 Feb, 2008 04:40 pm
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
snood wrote:
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
of course that's what you believe. You're entitled so please do. Please also feel free to judge everything I say merely bu the way I say it. You're not required to like my tone or my way of expressing myself.

let's don't let this start a dialog between us. You calmly said what you wanted, i calmly responded. That's all that's necessary.


dang, bud - how many people you refusin to talk to, these days?


only the ones I can't stomach.


definitely a personal problem
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
  1  
Wed 6 Feb, 2008 04:57 pm
so stay out of it then. if you ain't the solution.... you're the problem.

I addressed your comment civilly but you want to keep it up.

stop for God's sake.
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Swimpy
 
  1  
Wed 6 Feb, 2008 05:20 pm
Boys, please stop.
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Ethel2
 
  1  
Wed 6 Feb, 2008 05:31 pm
http://www.gallup.com/poll/104200/Gallup-Daily-Tracking-Election-2008.aspx


Quote:
Gallup Daily: Tracking Election 2008
Based on daily polling from Feb. 3-5, 2008

* USA
* Election 2008
* Gallup Daily
* Americas
* Northern America

PRINCETON, NJ -- The increase in support for Hillary Clinton at the national level that Gallup saw in interviewing conducted Sunday and Monday continued in interviewing Tuesday night. Gallup Poll Daily tracking conducted Feb. 3-5 now includes three consecutive days in which Clinton has done well, giving her a 13-percentage point lead over Barack Obama, 52% to 39%.

Democratic preferences in Tuesday night's interviews -- mostly conducted before Super Tuesday election results were known -- were similar to Sunday and Monday night's interviews. Gallup Poll Daily tracking will not begin to reflect the impact of Tuesday's voting on national Democratic preferences until tomorrow.

Obama had been competitive with Clinton in interviews conducted Feb. 2 (as well as earlier last week), but those interviews have now dropped out of Gallup's continuous three-day rolling average reporting.
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kickycan
 
  1  
Wed 6 Feb, 2008 05:35 pm
I don't understand why BPB is being so civil about this. Take the gloves off, man! I disagree with you on this whole Hillary thing, but stop being so damn nice about it when people f*ck with you! You're a BEAR, for god's sake! Bring out the claws!

~This pep talk brought to you by the Obama For President Foundation.~
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Ethel2
 
  1  
Wed 6 Feb, 2008 05:37 pm
sozobe wrote:
Here we go!

Quote:
Asked about Clinton's recent comment that she would not allow herself to be victimized by the type of attacks leveled against Sen. John Kerry in the 2004 race, Obama said he had been vetted by his opponent in the nominating campaign.

"I have to just respond by saying that the Clinton research operation is about as good as anybody's out there," he said.

"I assure you that having engaged in a contest against them for the last year that they've pulled out all the stops. And you know I think what is absolutely true is whoever the Democratic nominee is the Republicans will go after them. The notion that somehow Senator Clinton is going to be immune from attack or there's not a whole dump truck they can't back up in a match between her and John McCain is just not true."


http://my.earthlink.net/article/top?guid=20080206/47a93ed0_3421_1334520080206-1394796869


This statement by Obama indicates his level of naivete. If he thinks his vetting by the Hillary campaign is equivalent to the vetting he'll get in the general from the Republicans, then I question his reality testing. Really, that's laughable. Plllllllease.
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Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Wed 6 Feb, 2008 05:43 pm
Lola wrote:
sozobe wrote:
Here we go!

Quote:
Asked about Clinton's recent comment that she would not allow herself to be victimized by the type of attacks leveled against Sen. John Kerry in the 2004 race, Obama said he had been vetted by his opponent in the nominating campaign.

"I have to just respond by saying that the Clinton research operation is about as good as anybody's out there," he said.

"I assure you that having engaged in a contest against them for the last year that they've pulled out all the stops. And you know I think what is absolutely true is whoever the Democratic nominee is the Republicans will go after them. The notion that somehow Senator Clinton is going to be immune from attack or there's not a whole dump truck they can't back up in a match between her and John McCain is just not true."


http://my.earthlink.net/article/top?guid=20080206/47a93ed0_3421_1334520080206-1394796869


This statement by Obama indicates his level of naivete. If he thinks his vetting by the Hillary campaign is equivalent to the vetting he'll get in the general from the Republicans, then I question his reality testing. Really, that's laughable. Plllllllease.


Lola,

You have written some pretty ridiculous posts here in support of Hillary but this one takes the cake. The point isn't that Obama is immune to Republican smears. It's the Hillary is super vulnerable to them thanks to all the shady deals she and Bill have been a part of.

I think things are going to start to snowball pretty soon now. I'd be surprised if Hillary wins another primary in February.

Cycloptichorn
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
  1  
Wed 6 Feb, 2008 05:47 pm
Swimpy wrote:
Boys, please stop.


I'd love to.
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High Seas
 
  1  
Wed 6 Feb, 2008 06:08 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:

.............................
Lola,

You have written some pretty ridiculous posts here in support of Hillary but this one takes the cake. The point isn't that Obama is immune to Republican smears. It's the Hillary is super vulnerable to them thanks to all the shady deals she and Bill have been a part of.

I think things are going to start to snowball pretty soon now. I'd be surprised if Hillary wins another primary in February.

Cycloptichorn


Cycl - why is what Lola wrote "ridiculous"? You know it's in the interest of the Republicans to have Obama smeared by the Clintons, less work for us.

But he, not she, is most likely to win the election no matter if our candidate is McCain or Romney.
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