Obama '08?

Lola wrote:

sozobe wrote:

Here we go!

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Asked about Clinton's recent comment that she would not allow herself to be victimized by the type of attacks leveled against Sen. John Kerry in the 2004 race, Obama said he had been vetted by his opponent in the nominating campaign.

"I have to just respond by saying that the Clinton research operation is about as good as anybody's out there," he said.

"I assure you that having engaged in a contest against them for the last year that they've pulled out all the stops. And you know I think what is absolutely true is whoever the Democratic nominee is the Republicans will go after them. The notion that somehow Senator Clinton is going to be immune from attack or there's not a whole dump truck they can't back up in a match between her and John McCain is just not true."

http://my.earthlink.net/article/top?guid=20080206/47a93ed0_3421_1334520080206-1394796869

This statement by Obama indicates his level of naivete. If he thinks his vetting by the Hillary campaign is equivalent to the vetting he'll get in the general from the Republicans, then I question his reality testing. Really, that's laughable. Plllllllease.

Lola,

You have written some pretty ridiculous posts here in support of Hillary but this one takes the cake. The point isn't that Obama is immune to Republican smears. It's the Hillary is super vulnerable to them thanks to all the shady deals she and Bill have been a part of.

I think things are going to start to snowball pretty soon now. I'd be surprised if Hillary wins another primary in February.

Cycloptichorn

1) If everyone agrees that it's absurd and unfair that Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina get to decide so much for the rest of the country, why don't you change it? Don't say there's nothing you can do about it or blame it on special interests or say "it's just the way it is.'" You're America. You gave the world the television, the automobile, electricity and The Simpsons. And you can't gang up on Iowa? It's Iowa.

2) How is Barack Obama a "hard-left socialist"? Obama is for the war in Afghanistan, talks about bombing Pakistan, won't make it mandatory for Americans to have health insurance, will leave troops in Iraq indefinitely, will maintain the United States' comparatively low levels of taxation, and constantly gives speeches filled with religious rhetoric. In Canada this would place him nicely in the Conservative party.

Hillary's been vetted to the max. There is nothing more to be found that isn't old news.

Nobody has lived such a perfect life that there isn't something to be found.

Since the Republican nominee will be McCain, you know they'll try to scare us about national security. It will be much easier for the Republicans to fight and win against Obama, what with his profound vision about the Iraq war, than against Hillary. She's the moderate one on this question. Any independent can see that her position is the only one that is complicated enough to include all matters of concern.

Obama is the ultra liberal in this election and the Republicans will be all over him. And he won't be able to charm them into playing fair.

2) How is Barack Obama a "hard-left socialist"? Obama is for the war in Afghanistan, talks about bombing Pakistan, won't make it mandatory for Americans to have health insurance, will leave troops in Iraq indefinitely, will maintain the United States' comparatively low levels of taxation, and constantly gives speeches filled with religious rhetoric. In Canada this would place him nicely in the Conservative party.

Since the Republican nominee will be McCain, you know they'll try to scare us about national security. It will be much easier for the Republicans to fight and win against Obama, what with his profound vision about the Iraq war, than against Hillary. She's the moderate one on this question. Any independent can see that her position is the only one that is complicated enough to include all matters of concern.

Obama is the ultra liberal in this election and the Republicans will be all over him. And he won't be able to charm them into playing fair.

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Nobody has lived such a perfect life that there isn't something to be found.

You don't know what kind of life Obama has led or hasn't. Maybe he hasn't done anything terrible enough to make a good scandal out of. You are just assuming that this is true with absolutely no evidence, and presenting it as a fact. It isn't a fact.

Cycloptichorn

No I don't know and neither do you. That's my point. The only fact I'm presenting is that Hillary's past is well vetted, and we don't know what events or circumstances exist in Obama's life. Surely you're not claiming that you know that he has nothing. My point is that we don't really know much about him. He's never won against a truly competitive opponent. He was elected when his opponent was Alan Keyes. How much competition could that have been?

He won't win any big states unless maybe Ohio. He won't win Texas. There are way more Latinos and baby boomer women in Texas than anyone one, Democrat or Republican that values anything Ted Kennedy has to say. Texans just hate being told how to vote. Texas alone has enough delegates to make Hillary the winner.

And don't think for a minute that Hillary's grass roots are letting her go unfinanced. She says she needs 3 million in three days and she's already more than half way there on this first day of the three.

And Bull I say back to you. Whatever Bill has earned for speaking is his money. Since he earned it. And that money, being his is no longer belonging to anyone overseas. Really that's pretty convoluted reasoning there, Cyclo.

I think you are at this point just venting frustration, without worrying much about the accuracy of your statements.

Race Against Time? On Election Day, Voters Break For Hillary
2/6/2008 3:21:27 PM

In 12 of 14 Super Tuesday states for which exit polls were conducted by MSNBC, Hillary won a majority of voters who made up their minds on Election Day. Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Connecticut, Delaware, Georgia, Illinois, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, and Oklahoma. [msnbc.com]

Election Day
State Clinton Obama
AL 58 39
AZ 31 46
AR 60 24
CA 51 43
CT 51 43
DE 55 45
GA 47 45
IL 50 42
MA 58 38
MO 47 49
NJ 53 40
NM 53 42
NY 51 42
TN 47 47

Lola wrote:

Since the Republican nominee will be McCain, you know they'll try to scare us about national security. It will be much easier for the Republicans to fight and win against Obama, what with his profound vision about the Iraq war, than against Hillary. She's the moderate one on this question. Any independent can see that her position is the only one that is complicated enough to include all matters of concern.

Obama is the ultra liberal in this election and the Republicans will be all over him. And he won't be able to charm them into playing fair.

Not so, in fact he's far more acceptable to conservative Republicans than she could ever be. It's hard to explain the extent to which Mrs. Clinton is loathed. Obama isn't.

Ahem, psychology speak here, Lola. You and I are usually on the same page. I think we need to take a step back. Cyclo and others like myself are Obama supporters not haters.

And Bull I say back to you. Whatever Bill has earned for speaking is his money. Since he earned it. And that money, being his is no longer belonging to anyone overseas. Really that's pretty convoluted reasoning there, Cyclo.

And Bull I say back to you. Whatever Bill has earned for speaking is his money. Since he earned it. And that money, being his is no longer belonging to anyone overseas. Really that's pretty convoluted reasoning there, Cyclo.

"We are very frustrated because we have a Supreme Court that seems determined to say that the wealthier have more right to free speech than the rest of us. [...] For example, they say you couldn't stop me from spending all the money I've saved over the last five years on Hillary's campaign if I wanted to, even though it would clearly violate the spirit of campaign finance reform."

The republicans have perfected the art of personal destruction - not only of their challengers, but also members of their own party. Makes you wonder where their ethics lie.