maporsche
 
  1  
Sun 27 Jan, 2008 04:04 pm
nimh wrote:
nimh wrote:
OCCOM BILL wrote:
Fascinating that people will allow their predispositions to supersede common sense sufficiently to rationalize: Great Speaker = Hitler-Danger. Rolling Eyes

I think there was a little bit more to the association than that, but dont let that get in the way of scoring a point...

Plus, was there even any American on this thread who made that connection?


No, there wasn't.
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Butrflynet
 
  1  
Sun 27 Jan, 2008 04:05 pm
maporsche wrote:
Butrflynet wrote:
To make such a big deal over one word that someone dropped in the middle of a bait session has connotations too.

Shall I stock fishing poles in my bait shop too?



I see the word itself as being the big deal....not my comments on it.


Exactly the point I was making. You were baited by the use of the word, fell for it and took along a fishing pole to see how many you could catch nibbling on it.

It is the same technique used in those anonymous emails people keep forwarding to their address books, whispering "Barack Hussein Obama he's a Muslim!"
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maporsche
 
  1  
Sun 27 Jan, 2008 04:07 pm
Butrflynet wrote:
maporsche wrote:
Butrflynet wrote:
To make such a big deal over one word that someone dropped in the middle of a bait session has connotations too.

Shall I stock fishing poles in my bait shop too?



I see the word itself as being the big deal....not my comments on it.


Exactly the point I was making. You were baited by the use of the word, fell for it and took along a fishing pole to see how many you could catch nibbling on it.

It is the same technique used in those anonymous emails people keep forwarding to their address books, whispering "Barack Hussein Obama he's a Muslim!"




I'm not saying anything bad about Obama. The guy will have my vote. To compare my comments to that email is simply wrong.
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Butrflynet
 
  1  
Sun 27 Jan, 2008 04:08 pm
I'm not comparing your comments to it, I'm comparing your reaction to the use of the word with it.
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Butrflynet
 
  1  
Sun 27 Jan, 2008 04:09 pm
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/25/AR2008012502902.html

Clinton roils vote dispute in presidential race

By Ellen Wulfhorst
Reuters
Friday, January 25, 2008; 11:22 PM



ROCK HILL, South Carolina (Reuters) - Sen. Hillary Clinton, in an about-face, said on Friday she wants the Democratic Party delegates in two states that were barred by the national party to be reinstated and counted in the race to determine the party's U.S. presidential nominee.

In those states, Michigan and Florida, Clinton could stake claim to nearly all the delegates to the nominating convention in question -- more than 350.

She was the only candidate on the Democratic ballot in Michigan and holds a strong lead in Florida, which holds its contest on Tuesday.

The national party eliminated the delegates from Michigan and Florida because the states broke party rules by holding primary voting contests before February 5. But just four days before Florida's primary, Clinton said she wants the delegates reinstated.

"I know other campaigns have tried to downplay the significance of these two states," Clinton told reporters. "I think that is not a good strategy for Democrats or any of us who cares about the outcome of this election."

To become the Democratic nominee in the November election, a candidate must collect a majority of more than 2,000 delegates by competing in state contests around the nation.

Because Michigan and Florida violated the rules, all the major Democratic candidates pledged not to campaign there before their primaries.

Clinton said she did not think she was violating that agreement.

"I think it's important we send a message to the people of Michigan and Florida that Democrats care about their lives and their futures, and I will certainly do everything I can to be a good president for them," she said.

In Michigan, Clinton won the primary after the other major candidates pulled their names from the ballot. Polls show she holds a strong lead in Florida, where all the candidates are on the ballot.

A spokesman for her chief rival, Sen. Barack Obama, accused Clinton of changing course.

"Senator Clinton's own campaign has repeatedly said that this is a contest for delegates, and Florida is a contest that offers zero," campaign manager David Plouffe said in a statement.

"Whether it is Barack Obama's record, her position on Social Security, or even the meaning of the Florida primary, it seems like Hillary Clinton will do or say anything to win an election," he said.

The Democratic and Republican parties penalized the early voting states in an attempt to gain control over an increasingly chaotic primary calendar, in which states were vying to hold their contests earlier and earlier.

The Democrats allowed early contests in Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina and Nevada.
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OCCOM BILL
 
  1  
Sun 27 Jan, 2008 04:11 pm
nimh wrote:
OCCOM BILL wrote:
Fascinating that people will allow their predispositions to supersede common sense sufficiently to rationalize: Great Speaker = Hitler-Danger. Rolling Eyes

I think there was a little bit more to the association than that, but dont let that get in the way of scoring a point...
Nothing of consequence. Care to demonstrate otherwise?


nimh wrote:
Plus, was there even any American on this thread who made that connection?
Both BpB and Maporsche alluded to similar spooky feelings.

"Gosh, I'm so creeped out because the crowd really likes that guy." is a silly argument.
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Ticomaya
 
  1  
Sun 27 Jan, 2008 04:14 pm
teenyboone wrote:
eoe wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
I don't understand the 'messianic' label attached to Obama. I don't feel that way at all.Cycloptichorn


Me either. This is all so borderline Magical Negro-ish that's it's ridiculous. Now you can't simply have a black man who transcends on his merits, his accomplishments, his experience. Oh no. He's got to be Messianic. Supernatural.

You guys really are sad.

Explain what borderline magical negroish means. As an African American, I take offense to your bigoted description, of us Question What?
Is that a little like "entitled whites", who think they have the right to look down thier bigoted, racist, noses, at people, they consider their lessers?
Your slip, is showing! Evil or Very Mad


Clearly eoe is a racist. And as an African American, teenyboone has the right to proclaim eoe as such.

Laughing

<munch>
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OCCOM BILL
 
  1  
Sun 27 Jan, 2008 04:16 pm
teenyboone wrote:
eoe wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
I don't understand the 'messianic' label attached to Obama. I don't feel that way at all.Cycloptichorn


Me either. This is all so borderline Magical Negro-ish that's it's ridiculous. Now you can't simply have a black man who transcends on his merits, his accomplishments, his experience. Oh no. He's got to be Messianic. Supernatural.

You guys really are sad.

Explain what borderline magical negroish means. As an African American, I take offense to your bigoted description, of us Question What?
Is that a little like "entitled whites", who think they have the right to look down thier bigoted, racist, noses, at people, they consider their lessers?
Your slip, is showing! Evil or Very Mad
You're barking up the wrong tree. If Eoe is racist; I doubt it's against African Americans. :wink: Google "Magic Negro" and learn what you're talking about before taking misguided offense.
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Ticomaya
 
  1  
Sun 27 Jan, 2008 04:17 pm
OCCOM BILL wrote:
You're barking up the wrong tree. If Eoe is racist; I doubt it's against African Americans. :wink: Google "Magic Negro" and learn what you're talking about before taking misguided offense.


Bill ... you're ruining my fun!!!
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teenyboone
 
  1  
Sun 27 Jan, 2008 04:51 pm
To Ticomaya and others:

The magical negro (sometimes called the mystical negro, magic negro, or our Magical African-American Friend) is a stock character who appears in fiction of a variety of media. The word negro, now considered archaic and offensive, is used intentionally to claim that the archetype is a racist throwback, an update of the "Sambo" and "savage other" stereotypes.[1] The term was popularized by Spike Lee, who derided the archetype of the "super-duper magical negro"[2] in 2001 while discussing films with students at Washington State University[3] and at Yale University.[4]

Please read the 2nd sentence, (an update of Sambo), so now even referencing this, not having heard it, before, reinforces what I said.
so is a magical white, a little like a "redneck"? Shocked

Mos defintely, racist, in all of its' ugly forms. Evil or Very Mad
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Ticomaya
 
  1  
Sun 27 Jan, 2008 05:10 pm
Laughing

Why are you directing that at me, teenyboone? Eoe's the racist, remember?

Oh, you did accuse me of being a racist before ... but it's clear you tend to accuse just about everyone of being a racist, don't you?

According to that wikipedia entry you quoted from, "The term was popularized by Spike Lee ... ." Now I ask you, do you consider Spike Lee a "racist"? And if so, do you think his use of that term identifies him as a racist?

Now, I happen to not believe eoe is a racist (as O'Bill said, at least not toward African Americans). But I'll let her sort that out with you in due course.



In the meantime, you might want to read further down that wikipedia entry, then reread what eoe said in her post, and then decide if your misplaced claims of racism by eoe are justified.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
  1  
Sun 27 Jan, 2008 05:14 pm
I want a magic negro... that'll turn into a pony and I can book out for children's parties....
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Ramafuchs
 
  1  
Sun 27 Jan, 2008 05:26 pm
The main difference between an actor and politician is this.
An actor acts when he pretends
while the politician pretends when he acts.
Or the other way round.( the world is a drama)
Now it too late to realize the DREAMS of the needy.
Obama is not MLK nor a replica of JFK.
He is a product of the modern society.
Comparison is odius.
Let the final approved candidate speak against
injustice,
war and
domination of the handful selected few.
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sozobe
 
  1  
Sun 27 Jan, 2008 05:31 pm
Whoa, this thread is getting crazy... teenyboone accusing eoe of racism? OK.


ANYWAY...

Yes, this latest Clinton campaign ploy is appalling. Especially the timing, and especially the phrasing.

Quote:
"I know other campaigns have tried to downplay the significance of these two states," Clinton told reporters. "I think that is not a good strategy for Democrats or any of us who cares about the outcome of this election."


WHAT? Give me a break.

My understanding of the situation is as follows (I'm here for a second, can get links and stuff later).

The DNC OK'ed four pre-February 5th primaries and only four. Iowa, NH, Nevada, and SC. That's it. They were selected to show candidates' strengths in a variety of different geographic and demographic regions.

Michigan and Florida defied the DNC by putting their primaries before February 5th. The consequence was that their delegates won't count. In solidarity with the DNC, Obama and Edwards removed their names from the ballots in Michigan and Florida.

Hillary didn't.

In Michigan, Hillary got something like 55% of the vote, with about 40% going to "uncommitted" (the only option for Obama or Edwards supporters).

Since everyone knew it wasn't going to count, Obama and Edwards didn't campaign in Michigan or Florida.

Florida is coming up (Tuesday).

It's really sleazy of her to try to make that stuff count NOW.
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maporsche
 
  1  
Sun 27 Jan, 2008 05:34 pm
sozobe wrote:
Whoa, this thread is getting crazy... teenyboone accusing eoe of racism? OK.


ANYWAY...

Yes, this latest Clinton campaign ploy is appalling. Especially the timing, and especially the phrasing.

Quote:
"I know other campaigns have tried to downplay the significance of these two states," Clinton told reporters. "I think that is not a good strategy for Democrats or any of us who cares about the outcome of this election."


WHAT? Give me a break.

My understanding of the situation is as follows (I'm here for a second, can get links and stuff later).

The DNC OK'ed four pre-February 5th primaries and only four. Iowa, NH, Nevada, and SC. That's it. They were selected to show candidates' strengths in a variety of different geographic and demographic regions.

Michigan and Florida defied the DNC by putting their primaries before February 5th. The consequence was that their delegates won't count. In solidarity with the DNC, Obama and Edwards removed their names from the ballots in Michigan and Florida.

Hillary didn't.

In Michigan, Hillary got something like 55% of the vote, with about 40% going to "uncommitted" (the only option for Obama or Edwards supporters).

Since everyone knew it wasn't going to count, Obama and Edwards didn't campaign in Michigan or Florida.

Florida is coming up (Tuesday).

It's really sleazy of her to try to make that stuff count NOW.



Just to be clear. The FL ballots have both Obama and Edward's names on them along with Clinton's.
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cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Sun 27 Jan, 2008 05:37 pm
Sleeze in addition to all the other stuff about the Clintons I don't like just reenforces my distate for her running for president.

Unfortunately (for me), Californians are polling her as number one.
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blueflame1
 
  1  
Sun 27 Jan, 2008 05:49 pm
"Florida is coming up (Tuesday).

It's really sleazy of her to try to make that stuff count NOW." Sure is. I'll be voting for Obama in the Florida Primary. Too bad it wont count for much.
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OCCOM BILL
 
  1  
Sun 27 Jan, 2008 05:56 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
Sleeze in addition to all the other stuff about the Clintons I don't like just reenforces my distate for her running for president.

Unfortunately (for me), Californians are polling her as number one.
Don't forget to vote then. If everyone who finds her distasteful actually showed up for the primary; Obama would take CA in a landslide. It doesn't take that much to swing a primary.
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Butrflynet
 
  1  
Sun 27 Jan, 2008 06:02 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
Sleeze in addition to all the other stuff about the Clintons I don't like just reenforces my distate for her running for president.

Unfortunately (for me), Californians are polling her as number one.


Are you referring to the latest Field Poll showing Clinton in a double-digit lead over Obama? If so, did you read the fine print to discover they only polled 377 people?
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
  1  
Sun 27 Jan, 2008 06:04 pm
and three hundred of those were cousins... fifty were retarded, and 27 were sleeping with bill.... you forgot to mention that.v
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