Obama '08?

I missed the victory speech, damn!

MSNBC just said what I said earlier.


Obama - all whites in the background.


and now Clinton...all blacks.



And by "all" I mean "mostly".

sozobe wrote:

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So, what's the reality here? By all indications, the Clinton campaign really has made a considerable effort to win the state. Indeed, just last week, the Clinton campaign's Don Fowler said of South Carolina: "I'm confident with the kind of campaign we're running next week we're going to win."

EVERY candidate says that they're going to win the primary before the primary. Edwards has said it every time and hasn't been right once.

I'm unclear as to the point being made. Can you clarify?

maporsche wrote:

sozobe wrote:

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So, what's the reality here? By all indications, the Clinton campaign really has made a considerable effort to win the state. Indeed, just last week, the Clinton campaign's Don Fowler said of South Carolina: "I'm confident with the kind of campaign we're running next week we're going to win."

EVERY candidate says that they're going to win the primary before the primary. Edwards has said it every time and hasn't been right once.

NO candidate intentionally spends lots of time and money on a state they expect to lose by 27 points. Considering her investment; she got spanked.

All three contenders campaigned in South Carolina on primary day, but only Obama and Edwards arranged to speak to supporters after the polls closed. Clinton decided to fly to Tennessee, one of the Feb. 5 states, leaving as the polls were closing.

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All three contenders campaigned in South Carolina on primary day, but only Obama and Edwards arranged to speak to supporters after the polls closed. Clinton decided to fly to Tennessee, one of the Feb. 5 states, leaving as the polls were closing.

Wow, she didn't even stick around to thank all the people who worked their butts off for her in SC. No wonder only 20 people showed up to her campaign's post-election party.

At least Obama and Edwards showed some class.

Butrflynet wrote:

I'm unclear as to the point being made. Can you clarify?

Sure.

Race is an issue in this race. It should be plain as day, but many have been trying to say that it isn't.

Unfortunately for Obama, he is a minority and he is apparently losing support among whites, and has little support among hispanics. Whites/hispanics make up 80% of the population, blacks make up 12%.

He is in trouble if he cannot cross that racial divide, and there is a divide.

maporsche wrote:

Butrflynet wrote:

I'm unclear as to the point being made. Can you clarify?

Sure.

Race is an issue in this race. It should be plain as day, but many have been trying to say that it isn't.

Unfortunately for Obama, he is a minority and he is apparently losing support among whites, and has little support among hispanics. Whites/hispanics make up 80% of the population, blacks make up 12%.

He is in trouble if he cannot cross that racial divide, and there is a divide.

What does that have to do with the color of the people in a photo you referred to?

I missed the victory speech, damn!

I'm just not as convinced as some that this is the final nail in her coffin.

If it is, too bad, but I will still have a great candidate to choose from (Obama).

Yesterday I read Obama was expected to get about 10% of the white vote in SC but this early story gives him about 25%. That's one huge difference.

We are up against decades of bitter partisanship that cause politicians to demonize their opponents instead of coming together to make college affordable or energy cleaner; it's the kind of partisanship where you're not even allowed to say that a Republican had an idea - even if it's one you never agreed with. That kind of politics is bad for our party, it's bad for our country, and this is our chance to end it once and for all.

We are up against the idea that it's acceptable to say anything and do anything to win an election. We know that this is exactly what's wrong with our politics; this is why people don't believe what their leaders say anymore; this is why they tune out. And this election is our chance to give the American people a reason to believe again.

And what we've seen in these last weeks is that we're also up against forces that are not the fault of any one campaign, but feed the habits that prevent us from being who we want to be as a nation. It's the politics that uses religion as a wedge, and patriotism as a bludgeon. A politics that tells us that we have to think, act, and even vote within the confines of the categories that supposedly define us. The assumption that young people are apathetic. The assumption that Republicans won't cross over. The assumption that the wealthy care nothing for the poor, and that the poor don't vote. The assumption that African-Americans can't support the white candidate; whites can't support the African-American candidate; blacks and Latinos can't come together.
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The choice in this election is not between regions or religions or genders. It's not about rich versus poor; young versus old; and it is not about black versus white.

It's about the past versus the future.

It's about whether we settle for the same divisions and distractions and drama that passes for politics today, or whether we reach for a politics of common sense, and innovation - a shared sacrifice and shared prosperity.

There are those who will continue to tell us we cannot do this. That we cannot have what we long for. That we are peddling false hopes.

But here's what I know. I know that when people say we can't overcome all the big money and influence in Washington, I think of the elderly woman who sent me a contribution the other day - an envelope that had a money order for $3.01 along with a verse of scripture tucked inside. So don't tell us change isn't possible.

When I hear the cynical talk that blacks and whites and Latinos can't join together and work together, I'm reminded of the Latino brothers and sisters I organized with, and stood with, and fought with side by side for jobs and justice on the streets of Chicago. So don't tell us change can't happen.

When I hear that we'll never overcome the racial divide in our politics, I think about that Republican woman who used to work for Strom Thurmond, who's now devoted to educating inner-city children and who went out onto the streets of South Carolina and knocked on doors for this campaign. Don't tell me we can't change.

I'm now listening to Hillary - man, does she go on. And this weird sudden to and fro between the softly encouraging/chiding voice of a school matron and the loud combative soapbox shouting. Odd. Kind of grating, and so ... fake-sounding. To me, anyhow.