maporsche
 
  1  
Sat 26 Jan, 2008 08:13 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:

In fact - Obama has gotten the same percentage of votes as Hillary did in MI, and his name wasn't even on the ballot there!


Well, that's not exactly a fact now is it.
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cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Sat 26 Jan, 2008 08:13 pm
I personally think it's a BIG deal. I also believe this "trend" may hold up more now, because people like to pick a winner.
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maporsche
 
  1  
Sat 26 Jan, 2008 08:15 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Quote:

After four great contests in every corner of this country, and another record turnout today, we have the most votes, the most delegates, and the most diverse coalition of Americans we've seen in a long, long time.


He led his speech with this line.

He is doing a great job highlighting the Clinton's divisive tactics in his speech without specifically naming her.

Cycloptichorn


And for 50% of the voters being black......there sure aren't too many of them in front of the camera are there?

I think I see 5 blacks....and 20+ non blacks.
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snood
 
  1  
Sat 26 Jan, 2008 08:16 pm
maporsche wrote:
Well, Obama obviously won...but it's not like Clinton is just going to walk away after SC.

Looking forward to Super Tuesday; I'm thinking that you all will be singing a diferent tune then.


...and I'm sure we can count on your continued graciousness, no matter what the outcome.
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Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Sat 26 Jan, 2008 08:16 pm
maporsche wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:

In fact - Obama has gotten the same percentage of votes as Hillary did in MI, and his name wasn't even on the ballot there!


Well, that's not exactly a fact now is it.


Actually, it is a fact. Clinton rec'd 55% of the vote. Obama's name wasn't on the ballot at all.

He just had a great line - 'what we're fighting against here is the idea that you can do anything and say anything to get elected, and that's okay.'

Cycloptichorn
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Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Sat 26 Jan, 2008 08:17 pm
maporsche wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Quote:

After four great contests in every corner of this country, and another record turnout today, we have the most votes, the most delegates, and the most diverse coalition of Americans we've seen in a long, long time.


He led his speech with this line.

He is doing a great job highlighting the Clinton's divisive tactics in his speech without specifically naming her.

Cycloptichorn


And for 50% of the voters being black......there sure aren't too many of them in front of the camera are there?

I think I see 5 blacks....and 20+ non blacks.


That's because his support transcends color.

Cycloptichorn
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maporsche
 
  1  
Sat 26 Jan, 2008 08:17 pm
snood wrote:
maporsche wrote:
Well, Obama obviously won...but it's not like Clinton is just going to walk away after SC.

Looking forward to Super Tuesday; I'm thinking that you all will be singing a diferent tune then.


...and I'm sure we can count on your continued graciousness, no matter what the outcome.



Obama will get my vote should he be declared national winner if that's what you mean.
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maporsche
 
  1  
Sat 26 Jan, 2008 08:20 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
maporsche wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:

In fact - Obama has gotten the same percentage of votes as Hillary did in MI, and his name wasn't even on the ballot there!


Well, that's not exactly a fact now is it.


Actually, it is a fact. Clinton rec'd 55% of the vote. Obama's name wasn't on the ballot at all.


Obama's name not being on the ballot is the only fact that you posted here.

The "uncommitted" vote is not a vote for Obama, it is a vote against Clinton for sure, but they are not Obama's votes by default. I think you're forgetting about Edwards....which is easy to do I'll admit.
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Butrflynet
 
  1  
Sat 26 Jan, 2008 08:20 pm
maporsche wrote:
Well, Obama obviously won...but it's not like Clinton is just going to walk away after SC.

Looking forward to Super Tuesday; I'm thinking that you all will be singing a diferent tune then.



We might be singing a different tune but I can guarantee you that I will still feel very proud of the way our candidate has conducted his campaign. I hope you will be able to say the same for whom ever you vote for.
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Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Sat 26 Jan, 2008 08:22 pm
maporsche wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
maporsche wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:

In fact - Obama has gotten the same percentage of votes as Hillary did in MI, and his name wasn't even on the ballot there!


Well, that's not exactly a fact now is it.


Actually, it is a fact. Clinton rec'd 55% of the vote. Obama's name wasn't on the ballot at all.


Obama's name not being on the ballot is the only fact that you posted here.

The "uncommitted" vote is not a vote for Obama, it is a vote against Clinton for sure, but they are not Obama's votes by default. I think you're forgetting about Edwards....which is easy to do I'll admit.


Obama's name wasn't on the ballot, neither was JRE's, and Clinton only got 55%. Obama got the same amount in SC with the other names on the ballot. A much bigger victory.

You didn't read my original comment correctly.

Cycloptichorn
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maporsche
 
  1  
Sat 26 Jan, 2008 08:22 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:

That's because his support transcends color.


Or that's what he want it to be perceived as being.

Notice the lack of response to the FACT that his support among white voters is declining in every state.

As a side bar, hispanics are strongly in favor of Clinton as well.
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maporsche
 
  1  
Sat 26 Jan, 2008 08:24 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:

You didn't read my original comment correctly.


Yep, you're right. My bad.

Trying to reply to too many posts at the same time.

Back to my homework.
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OCCOM BILL
 
  1  
Sat 26 Jan, 2008 08:27 pm
sozobe wrote:
89 percent reporting, 54% Obama and 27% Clinton... I'm starting to feel a little celebratory.

I have to say though, Iowa was a WOW!!! and this is a WHEW!! The exit poll data makes it wowier. And the margin!
Precisely!
And I didn't see any poll that predicted this much of a whoopin.
Obama 55% and he's cleaning up on delegates too. Edwards appears to have split the older, white for white vote with Hillary almost right down the middle, but faired worse with younger folks (where Obama dominated!) I'm starting to like his staying in the race for now. :wink:
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Butrflynet
 
  1  
Sat 26 Jan, 2008 08:29 pm
Coming from Caroline Kennedy, this is big...


Quote:
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Ticomaya
 
  1  
Sat 26 Jan, 2008 08:30 pm
Congrats to all Obama supporters.
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blueflame1
 
  1  
Sat 26 Jan, 2008 08:37 pm
"What is bigger is the declining % of white voter support that Obama is getting. It's going down in every contest." I dont know about that. Yesterday I read Obama was expected to get about 10% of the white vote in SC but this early story gives him about 25%. That's one huge difference. The gains in his white vote put him way over the top if those numbers hold up. link "Clinton and Edwards split the white vote about equally, with each getting support from nearly four in 10 and Obama getting about a quarter."
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sozobe
 
  1  
Sat 26 Jan, 2008 08:39 pm
Thanks, Tico!

I missed the victory speech, damn!

I put this on my politics blog earlier, thought it might come up:

Quote:
So, what's the reality here? By all indications, the Clinton campaign really has made a considerable effort to win the state. Indeed, just last week, the Clinton campaign's Don Fowler said of South Carolina: "I'm confident with the kind of campaign we're running next week we're going to win."

Indeed, over the last few days, the Clinton team has acted like a campaign hoping to win the state.

    The dean who introduced Hillary Clinton in the chapel of a historically black college yesterday made an impassioned plea for South Carolina's African-Americans to vote for Clinton in today's primary, and "focus on our community's future rather than acting on pure emotion." Flanking Clinton on the chapel stage were two of the nation's well known black politicians, Congressman Charles Rangel and David Dinkins, former mayor of New York. One hundred miles to the north, Bill Clinton was preparing to greet another audience. It did not seem like a campaign that had given up on South Carolina. The Clinton campaign has worked for weeks to lower expectations in a state where Senator Barack Obama of Illinois has been polling significantly ahead of the New York senator. And yet in the last few days, the Clinton camp has been trying hard to woo voters, especially African-Americans who have been favoring Obama, the first black candidate to make a serious bid for the party's presidential nomination.


The good news for Clinton is, it makes the Obama campaign's accusations that Clinton was ignoring the state look pretty silly. The bad news for Clinton is, if she loses, she won't be able to say, "I wasn't seriously trying to compete there anyway."


http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/14372.html
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Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Sat 26 Jan, 2008 08:40 pm
Ticomaya wrote:
Congrats to all Obama supporters.


Thanks.

Scarborough and Buchanan can't get enough of him on MSNBC. Scarborough said that Republicans he knows, Conservative Republicans, are emailing him left and right about the guy.

And how about these comments, from the Corner:

Quote:

If Obama-McCain [Mark R. Levin]

As I watched Obama's speech, I tried to imagine an Obama-McCain match-up. And I think McCain would get his clock cleaned, despite early polls and predictions to the contrary. McCain cannot unite conservatives (due largely to years of hostility toward them, regardless of endorsements) and he will not win over enough Democrats and Independents from Obama to make win.


Quote:

The Obama Temptation [Kathryn Jean Lopez]

I tell you, he almost had me tonight until he talked about the war that shouldn't have been authorized and reminded me there are real policy issues at stake in this election! But listening to his inspirational, rallying speech tonight it's clear and obvious that if he's the nominee, he will be tough to beat.


Quote:


As someone said the other day there - if Obama wins, Republicans are going to need a bigger boat.

Cycloptichorn
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maporsche
 
  1  
Sat 26 Jan, 2008 08:45 pm
sozobe wrote:
Quote:
So, what's the reality here? By all indications, the Clinton campaign really has made a considerable effort to win the state. Indeed, just last week, the Clinton campaign's Don Fowler said of South Carolina: "I'm confident with the kind of campaign we're running next week we're going to win."


EVERY candidate says that they're going to win the primary before the primary. Edwards has said it every time and hasn't been right once.
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maporsche
 
  1  
Sat 26 Jan, 2008 08:46 pm
MSNBC just said what I said earlier.


Obama - all whites in the background.


and now Clinton...all blacks.



And by "all" I mean "mostly".
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