Cycloptichorn wrote:This is unfair. I've never claimed that she didn't have years of experience working in the gov't, or that she hasn't been active and involved; the question was, what has her work amounted to?
As in, what exactly has she accomplished? What has she done? What leadership? What has changed because of her work?
Hm.. well OK, I didnt read it like that. I mean, Okie wrote, "has anyone yet figured out what those 35 years of experience amounted to?," and you answered, "not me!" That seemed pretty short shrift to me for someone who did work her ass off for good causes for decades.
But, OK.
Cycloptichorn wrote:What did those years of experience amount to? What came out of them? It isn't clear, the wikipedia article certainly doesn't make it clear. [S]he should have a list of accomplishments to point to. I don't really see such a list.
Is that fair though? I mean, that kind of yardstick works for legislative work. What bills did she author? What support did she rally for them? Did any of 'em pass?
But how does that work with her decades of advocacy work? I mean, she took on cases of child abuse at a hospital. She researched migrant workers' problems in housing, health and education for Senator Mondale's Subcommittee on Migratory Labor. As a lawyer, she worked pro bono in child advocacy. She co-founded the Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families. How do you quantify that kind of work? By what measure stick can you declare, OK, but I dont see a list of accomplishments?
I mean, I've worked for about eight years in NGOs now, as lowly project staff of course, but still, working on projects for a minority organisation, working on websites, that kind of thing. But if you'd come up to me and ask, OK, so "what has changed because of your work?", dude - I couldnt say. But I did work my ass off at times, and I think it was good for something...
With Hillary (and Obama!) it's on a whole other level of course, but isnt the dilemma the same? Someone works for years in advocacy, sometimes succeeding in changing some thinking, in paving the ground for new policies perhaps, in signalling problems, in bringing a case to court in collaboration with a team of other people - years of worthy work, but yeah. You can still say, so - you, specifically - what has changed because of your work? List of accomplishments?
But aside from all that, it's also not true that there's no concrete accomplishments in the Wikipedia article. Here, just skimming it I find these, from early days to important-person-days:
- Her first scholarly paper, "Children Under the Law", was published in the Harvard Educational Review and became frequently cited.
- She was a member of the impeachment inquiry staff advising the House Committee on the Judiciary during the Watergate scandal, helping to research procedures of impeachment and the historical grounds and standards for impeachment. The committee's work culminated in the resignation of President Nixon.
- During her time as chair of the board of directors of the Legal Services Corporation, funding for the Corporation was expanded from $90 million to $300 million, and she successfully battled against President Ronald Reagan's initial attempts to reduce the funding and change the nature of the organization.
- As chair of the Arkansas Educational Standards Committee, she fought a prolonged but ultimately successful battle against the Arkansas Education Association to put mandatory teacher testing as well as state standards for curriculum and classroom size in place.
- She introduced Arkansas' Home Instruction Program for Preschool Youth, which helps parents work with their children in preschool preparedness and literacy.
- As chair of the American Bar Association's Commission on Women in the Profession, she induced the association to adopt measures to combat gender bias in the law profession.
- She pushed successfully for Wal-Mart to adopt more environmentally-friendly practices.
Now you can argue about one or the other of these accomplishments - her time at Wal-Mart may have done more harm than good, for example. And it goes without saying that none of these bullet points qualify someone for the Presidency. But they are concrete accomplishments - bullet points in a list of accomplishments representing 35 years of work. So to brush it off as, I dont know what all that amounted to, just doesnt seem fair...