Butrflynet
 
  1  
Sat 19 Jan, 2008 03:51 pm
Just about all the counties are up over 80% precincts reporting except for 1 which has been stuck at 45% for an hour. Their total is 30/11 Obama/Clinton. I don't think they are a large enough county to effect a change in the overall outcome.


Sure is disappointing. I wonder if Obama would have been better off allowing Clinton's lawsuit to halt the use of the casino caucus locations since the majority of her votes came from Las Vegas.
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Butrflynet
 
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Sat 19 Jan, 2008 03:56 pm
An informal, unofficial report from one of the Obama volunteers in NV:

Quote:
The big story in Nevada is how low the numbers are for John Edwards. Clinton was expected to be very strong, but Obama polled lower.

Several things still flying around and I look forward to hearing more after the dust settles.

1. Bill Clinton was in one of the caucus locations having his picture taken with caucusgoers. Unclear whether or not he actually engaged in conversations with caucusgoers inside the caucus location. This is highly questionable activity.

2. Ben Smith of Politico reports that the Bellagio ballroom was dominated by Hillary Clinton supporters and Hillary signs. Apparently the non-union hotel and casino workers showed up in large numbers to represent Clinton. Non-union workers accused the union workers of "being brainwashed" by the union.

3. Exit polls from MSNBC suggest strong showing with Clinton among Hispanic voters. This confirms the assumption of a Clinton pollster who believes that Hispanic voters are hesitant to support the unfamiliar candidate.

4. Politico.com reports that anti-Obama robocalls went out from an undisclosed source, naming "Barack Hussein Obama" four times and claiming that "he is an unknown".

My analysis: This campaign is coming down to Clinton v. Obama, Status-Quo v. New Leadership, Dirty Tactics v. Positive Campaign, Cynicism v. Trust, Fear v. Hope, Prejudice v. Openness, and Misinformation v. Honesty and Transparency.
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Sat 19 Jan, 2008 03:57 pm
Agree and disagree... Phooey that Hillary edged out Obama... but I'm liking seeing Edwards at 3.78% with 88% of the votes in! (Sorry nimh)
Bye, bye scumbag!
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realjohnboy
 
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Sat 19 Jan, 2008 03:58 pm
Are the numbers you have been reporting, Butterflynet, headcounts of votes or how the delegates are going to end up being apportioned?
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old europe
 
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Sat 19 Jan, 2008 04:02 pm
nimh wrote:
I'm sure he got more in the first show, but apparently he fell below the 15% viability bar most everywhere.. (if it is 15%, like in Iowa)


Just been looking this up:

Quote:
In order to be entitled to elect delegates to the county convention, groups must have a certain minimum number of eligible caucus attendees in their group.


* There can be no more viable preference groups than there are delegates to elect from a particular precinct. If there are, the smallest groups must re-align until the # of groups equals the # of delegates to elect from that precinct.


Caucus Math
    Caucuses which elect one (1) delegate No groups may form, the delegate must be elected by the whole caucus Caucuses which elect two (2) delegates Viable groups must contain 25% of attendees (# eligible attendees X .25) Caucuses which elect three (3) delegates Viable groups must contain 1/6th of attendees (# eligible attendees, divided by 6) Caucuses which elect four (4) or more delegates Viable groups must contain 15% of attendees (# eligible attendees X .15)

*Round all fractions UP to a whole number when determining viability

ยท Any preference group that is not viable must be given time to realign with preference groups that are viable or with another preference group that is also not viable.



Seems like a high viability threshold for caucuses with one or two delegates.

Hm.
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nimh
 
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Sat 19 Jan, 2008 04:03 pm
Butrflynet wrote:
Sure is disappointing. I wonder if Obama would have been better off allowing Clinton's lawsuit to halt the use of the casino caucus locations since the majority of her votes came from Las Vegas.

Yeah, there's the ultimate irony. Hillary won 7 of the 9 at large caucuses in Vegas that her allies had tried to shut down:

At Large Bellagio Hillary 36 delegates Obama 26 delegates
At Large Luxor Hillary 34 Obama 43
At Large Mirage Hillary 37 Obama 32
At Large Rio Hillary 18 Obama 10
At Large Caesars Hillary 16 Obama 17
At Large Paris Hillary 42 Obama 19
At Large Flamingo Hillary 25 Obama 24
At Large Wynn Hillary 40 Obama 39
At Large New York New York Hillary 20 Obama 14
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sozobe
 
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Sat 19 Jan, 2008 04:04 pm
Delegates...

Obama actually had one more delegate than Hillary going in to this, I think, so it's all still definitely very close. As far as I can tell (quick search, may not be accurate), there are 22 delegates up for grabs in Nevada. So if it stays roughly 51/45, that'd be 12 for Hillary, 10 for Obama?

Not sure about that part, but if so, that would mean that after all this sturm und drang Hillary would have one more delegate than Obama going into SC.
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nimh
 
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Sat 19 Jan, 2008 04:07 pm
old europe wrote:
Seems like a high viability threshold for caucuses with one or two delegates.

Hm.

Thanks for the info, OE. I already couldnt believe that he polled only 5% of actual individual preferences, but thats not the case then.

One of the disadvantages of the caucus system - its not one man-one vote.. (but it does have its charms)
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sozobe
 
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Sat 19 Jan, 2008 04:07 pm
Now this says something totally different so scratch that -- I'm rushed now, will come back and investigate more thoroughly later (though if anyone else wants to take it in the meantime, go for it).

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/scorecard/

(On that scorecard it says that in NH Hillary got 11 delegates and Obama got 12??!)
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Butrflynet
 
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Sat 19 Jan, 2008 04:11 pm
Super Delegates are the ones to watch. Hillary is way out in front with those added.
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sozobe
 
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Sat 19 Jan, 2008 04:11 pm
Quote:
On Jan. 19, party caucuses meet in each precinct to choose delegates to county conventions. The delegates selected are not bound to any candidate. At the county conventions on Feb. 23, delegates to the state convention are chosen. They are not bound to any candidate. The state convention is April 18-20, during which delegates choose 25 of the 33 delegates to the national convention. Sixteen of the 25 delegates are allocated proportionally to presidential candidates based on the support for the candidates in each of the state's three Congressional districts. Nine delegates are allocated to candidates based on the support among all of the delegates attending the convention. The remaining eight unpledged delegates are chosen from party leaders.


http://politics.nytimes.com/election-guide/2008/results/states/NV.html
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sozobe
 
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Sat 19 Jan, 2008 04:13 pm
NYT has 9 delegates for Hillary and 9 for Obama -- evidently just counting NH out of what's happened so far.

http://politics.nytimes.com/election-guide/2008/results/delegates/index.html
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nimh
 
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Sat 19 Jan, 2008 04:14 pm
sozobe wrote:
Now this says something totally different so scratch that -- I'm rushed now, will come back and investigate more thoroughly later (though if anyone else wants to take it in the meantime, go for it).

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/scorecard/

(On that scorecard it says that in NH Hillary got 11 delegates and Obama got 12??!)


Seems screwy.

The National Overview on MSNBC says that Clinton and Obama both got 9 national delegates from New Hampshire, and Edwards 4;

and that going into Nevada, the total numbers of national delegates so far was 25 for Obama, 24 for Clinton, and 18 for Edwards.

2,025 delegates needed for nomination, so.. a long way to go.
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old europe
 
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Sat 19 Jan, 2008 04:15 pm
realjohnboy wrote:
Are the numbers you have been reporting, Butterflynet, headcounts of votes or how the delegates are going to end up being apportioned?


Seems that the numbers currently reported are also based on the numbers of delegates to county conventions. Not on headcounts, not on delegates.
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Butrflynet
 
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Sat 19 Jan, 2008 04:16 pm
CNN has a tracker keeping score on the delegate numbers including super delegates.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/

Here's the page that includes the super delegates.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/scorecard/#D
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sozobe
 
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Sat 19 Jan, 2008 04:18 pm
nimh wrote:
and that going into Nevada, the total numbers of national delegates so far was 25 for Obama, 24 for Clinton, and 18 for Edwards.


That's what I remembered seeing before, with Obama leading by 1. So if 12 NV delegates go to Clinton and 10 to Obama, that'd end up 36 to 35 going into so SC. But the 22 total delegates for NV doesn't seem accurate -- more like 25 (pledged, and 28 unpledged, I won't even try to parse that right now). So that'd be 13 for Clinton and 12 for Obama -- which would be a tie. (37 Clinton, 37 Obama.)

Oy, my head.

Noted about superdelegates, Butrflynet.
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sozobe
 
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Sat 19 Jan, 2008 04:19 pm
8 unpledged, not 28.

I'll check that out, Butrflynet.
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sozobe
 
  1  
Sat 19 Jan, 2008 04:20 pm
Oh, that's what I'd already posted, with the weird 12 for Obama, 11 for Clinton thing in NH.
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Butrflynet
 
  1  
Sat 19 Jan, 2008 04:20 pm
Magic Number 2,025


Clinton 198
Obama 110
Edwards 52
Kucinich 1
Biden 0
Dodd 0
Gravel 0
Richardson 0

Total Delegates to date = 361
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Ramafuchs
 
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Sat 19 Jan, 2008 04:21 pm
My prediction is this.
There will be a new Prsident either
approved/accepted/admired/acclaimed
by the people or by the legal experts.
And that person is nothing to do with the xyz's problem that confronts the voters.
If i were a citizen of USA i would select or elect a person who uphold decency and basic culture.
Rama
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