Obama '08?

Fair is fair - seems like she did more than the equivalent of Obama's community organising work before Bill's presidential years.

Just remembered the other thing I was going to say.

Do any of you watch Chris Matthews?

blatham wrote:

Just remembered the other thing I was going to say.

Do any of you watch Chris Matthews?

Bill Clinton who's so charming etc on camera but apparently not as appealing in person.

Obama poked fun at John Edwards and Hillary Clinton for their response to the "what is your weakness" question at the MSNBC debate. Obama said that he answered the question as an "ordinary person."

"I thought that they meant 'what's your biggest weakness?!' So I said 'well you know I don't handle paper that well, you know, my desk is a mess, I need somebody to help me file and stuff all the time.'"

"So the other two they say well my biggest weakness is 'I'm just too passionate about helping poor people.' I am just too impatient to bring about change in America.'"

Obama joked, "If I had gone last I would have known what the game was. I could have said 'well you know I like to help old ladies across the street. Sometimes they don't want to be helped. It's terrible.'"

Obama ended by calling Clinton's comments "tricks" and said voters will stop listening to politicians because of them. At the end of the event, a man yelled out to Obama that he will be a better president than George Bush. Obama responded, "So would you!"

Am I being unfair?

At the end of the event, a man yelled out to Obama that he will be a better president than George Bush. Obama responded, "So would you!"

sozobe wrote:

There's this, too:

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Clinton's claim to superior experience isn't merely dishonest. It's also potentially dangerous should she become the nominee. If Clinton continues to build her campaign on the dubious foundation of government experience, it shouldn't be very difficult for her GOP opponent to pull that edifice down. That's especially true if a certain white-haired senator now serving his 25th year in Congress (four in the House and 21 in the Senate) wins the nomination. McCain could easily make Hillary look like an absolute fraud who is no more truthful about her depth of government experience than she is about why her mother named her "Hillary." Dennis Kucinich has more government experience than Clinton. (He also has a better health-care plan, but we'll save that for another day.) If Clinton doesn't find a new theme soon, she won't just be cutting Obama's throat. She'll also be cutting her own.

Hm. That's a lot of sound and fury. But to check whether Noah is right in this quote you just end up going back to that Wikipedia stuff. And well, she's no John McCain for sure, but I was pretty damn impressed by everything she's done - before becoming First Lady of the USA.

Or wait - actually, what you first have to do to check whether Noah is right would be to fact check the way he includes the word "government" in Hillary's claim. I know that Hillary often speaks of her "35 years of experience" - "fighting for people", for example, or "working for change", or some such pablum. Noah is saying Hillary can easily be shown to be lying when she claims she has "35 years of government experience" - but does she claim that?

I do know that it's become a bit of a standard point to deride Hillary's '35 years of experience' talking point - 'all she ever did was be the wife of the president," and such comments. Like Cyclo saying that he'd "never figured out" what those 35 years of experience amounted to. That, I think, is a bit silly considering all this info. And it was all right there on Wikipedia!

I do know that it's become a bit of a standard point to deride Hillary's '35 years of experience' talking point - 'all she ever did was be the wife of the president," and such comments. Like Cyclo saying that he'd "never figured out" what those 35 years of experience amounted to. That, I think, is a bit silly considering all this info. And it was all right there on Wikipedia!

But no president can do it alone. She must break recent tradition, cast cronyism aside and fill her cabinet with the best people, not only the best Democrats, but the best Republicans as well.. We're confident she will do that. Her list of favorite presidents - Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Lincoln, both Roosevelts, Truman, George H.W. Bush and Reagan - demonstrates how she thinks. As expected, Bill Clinton was also included on the aforementioned list.

As an employer; after 25 or 35 years of related experience I'd be more than satisfied, and would be looking more for signs of burnout.

Noah might be a bit over the top, but it's not as if Hillary doesn't deserve much of the criticism she gets.

Since we are being fair, let's not short-sheet Barack Obama on his work prior to the Illinois Legislature. He did a lot more than just community organizing.

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Obama poked fun at John Edwards and Hillary Clinton for their response to the "what is your weakness" question at the MSNBC debate. Obama said that he answered the question as an "ordinary person."

"I thought that they meant 'what's your biggest weakness?!' So I said 'well you know I don't handle paper that well, you know, my desk is a mess, I need somebody to help me file and stuff all the time.'"

"So the other two they say well my biggest weakness is 'I'm just too passionate about helping poor people.' I am just too impatient to bring about change in America.'"

Obama joked, "If I had gone last I would have known what the game was. I could have said 'well you know I like to help old ladies across the street. Sometimes they don't want to be helped. It's terrible.'"

Re: Noah, yeah, I agree that it's a bit hyperbolic for me.