Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Wed 9 Jan, 2008 11:34 am
People don"t lose then run again successfully as a general rule and to lose the VP AND a primary? I htink Edwards will need some of the obligatory political persona non grata time..... just my opinion....

I want Biden myself...but Richardson would also be good...
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Wed 9 Jan, 2008 11:38 am
Obama is an organizer; Clinton is an implementer
Obama is not being questioned by the Media nor his speech audiences the same way as Senator Clinton is accepting and answering questions. When will people realize that they know very little about how he would solve the nations problems?

Barack Obama is a highly skilled organizer. I know organizers and I know how valuable their inspiring oration skills must be. I was both a professional labor organizer as well as a civil rights and women's rights organizer for over thirty years. Organizers must have the skill to inspire people to follow them. That's why organizers turn the next step implementation challenge over to people with different skills to produce the results their followers want. Both skills are needed to be successful.

Barack Obama is an expert organizer. Hillary Clinton is the get-it-done implementation expert. That's a president's job. ---BBB
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FreeDuck
 
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Wed 9 Jan, 2008 11:55 am
Re: Obama is an organizer; Clinton is an implementer
BumbleBeeBoogie wrote:
Obama is not being questioned by the Media nor his speech audiences the same way as Senator Clinton is accepting and answering questions.


Err, my understanding is the opposite, and that this was one of the major things she changed in NH -- taking questions from the audience.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Wed 9 Jan, 2008 12:03 pm
don't confuse responding to questions with answering them.
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FreeDuck
 
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Wed 9 Jan, 2008 12:06 pm
Right. So I suppose it's possible to answer questions without responding to them, then.
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maporsche
 
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Wed 9 Jan, 2008 12:08 pm
FreeDuck wrote:
Right. So I suppose it's possible to answer questions without responding to them, then.


No, but it is possible to respond to a question without answering it. Politician's do this ALL THE TIME. Some better or more often than others (I'm not implying that Obama does this more often then Clinton just to be clear).
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FreeDuck
 
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Wed 9 Jan, 2008 12:12 pm
Right again. The point is, if Hillary doesn't often take questions, which was the case before New Hampshire, then she probably wasn't answering them either.
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maporsche
 
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Wed 9 Jan, 2008 12:16 pm
FreeDuck wrote:
Right again. The point is, if Hillary doesn't often take questions, which was the case before New Hampshire, then she probably wasn't answering them either.


Probably true.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Wed 9 Jan, 2008 12:18 pm
Whether the candidates actually answer questions posed to them doesn't have any legs to stand on, if we look at history. Is this election cycle any different?
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Wed 9 Jan, 2008 12:18 pm
BBB
My point is that Hillary Clinton took and answered questions from all who asked. That's why she won, not her so-called tears.

BBB
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Wed 9 Jan, 2008 12:32 pm
Re: BBB
BumbleBeeBoogie wrote:
My point is that Hillary Clinton took and answered questions from all who asked. That's why she won, not her so-called tears.

BBB


Ridiculous

Cycloptichorn
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High Seas
 
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Wed 9 Jan, 2008 12:42 pm
Trying to be polite here, but emphatically agree with Cycl on that one >

http://www.hillaryproject.com/images/toon/162007a.jpg

> do you really want someone who'll throw lamps at her husband (and has to be forcibly restrained by the Secret Service from escalating that assault) within reach of the ICBM launch codes?! I hope she'll get the nomination, though!
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FreeDuck
 
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Wed 9 Jan, 2008 12:48 pm
Actually, I can respect the fact that she through lamps at her husband.
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eoe
 
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Wed 9 Jan, 2008 01:12 pm
Me too. He spent time in the doghouse where he belonged. Laughing
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maporsche
 
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Wed 9 Jan, 2008 01:20 pm
FreeDuck wrote:
Actually, I can respect the fact that she through lamps at her husband.


A man when angry would simply punch the other person (which in this instance one would probably feel is justified), but because Hillary is a woman and it was a lamp, there's something wrong with it.
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FreeDuck
 
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Wed 9 Jan, 2008 01:23 pm
I'm picturing in my mind Bush throwing a petulant temper tantrum. It's not that far fetched.
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Ramafuchs
 
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Wed 9 Jan, 2008 02:37 pm
" One evening in February 2005, in a four-hour meeting stoked by pepperoni pizza and grand ambition, Sen. Barack Obama and his senior advisers crafted a strategy to fit the Obama "brand.". . . Some called it the "2010-2012-2016" plan: a potential bid for governor or re-election to the Senate in 2010, followed by a bid for the White House as soon as 2012 or, if not, 2016. The way to get there, they decided, was by carefully building a record that matched the brand identity: Obama as unifier and consensus-builder, an almost post-political leader.

The staffers in that after-hours session, convened by Obama's Senate staff and including Chicago political adviser David Axelrod, planned a low-profile strategy that would emphasize workhorse results over headlines. Obama would invest in his long-term profile by not seeming too eager for the bright lights. . .
http://prorev.com/2008/01/obama-reality-check.html
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blatham
 
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Wed 9 Jan, 2008 03:10 pm
soz

I'll only go this far because there doesn't appear to be much sense in going further...
Quote:

Quote:
An indignant, finger-pointing Clinton said:

How dare he?! Criticism of the press! Just like a Clinton to turn around and put the attention on someone else. Just like Bill to make judgements after everything he has done with internes and cigars.


Immaterial. I chose that link because it had the transcript.

I'm not talking about you or what you said. I'm talking about the constant and near ubiquitous media narrative on the Clintons. You commonly reflect that (as do many here). It is inescapable and the unbalance in this matter is more than adequate cause for Bill or anyone in that campaign to be indignant.

How unbalanced? They have been at the receiving end of such narratives for a decade and a half. As Bill says, Hillary is yet in the game and still trying. And what is the media narrative on that? Not that she gives a damn about contribution to the civic good, merely it is more evidence for her unquenchable lust for power.

Obama, obviously, suffers no such deficit even before any discussion on policy or prior experience is set to. Hardly immaterial.

Quote:
"But since you raised the judgment issue, let's go over this again. That is the central argument for his campaign. 'It doesn't matter that I started running for president less a year after I got to the Senate from the Illinois State Senate. I am a great speaker and a charismatic figure and I'm the only one who had the judgment to oppose this war from the beginning. Always, always, always.' "


Quote:
Dishonest formulation. That's not the central argument in Obama's campaign. And the whole mocking "I'm a great speaker and a charismatic figure" aspect is unnecessary and distasteful.

If this is your notion of dishonest and distasteful campaigning, then you are in for a very big shock if Barack wins the nomination and then when he sits as President. They'll set to ripping his guts out.
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blatham
 
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Wed 9 Jan, 2008 03:16 pm
georgeob1 wrote:
blatham wrote:
Quote:
In his denigrations of Senator Clinton, was Chris Matthiews any more objective and honest than when he was criticizing president Bush or the Republican policies he so assiduously opposes?


george

You've already told us you don't watch TV. So just how the phuck would you have any notion as to what Matthews supports or opposes, quite aside from what he does assiduously?


Gotcha! Was it good for you??

I've seen enough to know. Besides, Matthiews is a regular visitor to the Bohemian Grove every summer, and I've heard him spout off there (though he does artfully tailor his words for his audience).


george
Your frequent pronouncements on the media are poorly informed. By admission, you don't attend to them and you certainly take no time or effort to look up or study analyses of them. You don't because you believe you already know enough about the subject.

Try to imagine how convincing or intellectually helpful I find your opinions on the matter.
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blatham
 
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Wed 9 Jan, 2008 03:20 pm
sozobe wrote:
sozobe wrote:


Quote:
"Or what about the Obama hand out that was covered up, the press never reported on, implying that I was a crook? Scouring me, scathing criticism, over my financial reports. Ken Starr spent $70 million and indicted innocent people to find out that I wouldn't take a nickel to see the cow jump over the moon.

Quote:
Again, I don't know to what this alludes.


I don't either, and this is the single part that bothers me the most. He's accusing Obama of something here. What is it? Where's the proof? Or is it all just inferences?


Not to mention that I just realized its internal logic doesn't hold up. If the press has been giving Obama a pass and piling on Hillary, wouldn't they have talked about this hand-out extensively? Helped the Obama campaign by forwarding the idea that Bill was somehow a crook? He's contradicting himself here -- the press DIDN'T report on this, whatever "this" is, and whether "this" ever existed.


"If"????

You and I had better put off further instances of this conversation until some point in the future.
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