maporsche
 
  1  
Tue 8 Jan, 2008 10:03 pm
Roxxxanne wrote:
maporsche wrote:
I think that the post-Iowa Obama hype has just bitten him in the ass.....and hard.


That doesn't make any sense.


Sure it does....and it will make a lot more sense over the next week when all you hear on the news shows is about Hillary's comeback win in NH....a win that was expected up until 5 days ago....then after Iowa, Obama by 13% based on Iowa hype....then he lost by 3-4% tonight.

Without the hype it is an expected Clinton win.
With the hype, it a resounding Obama loss.
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eoe
 
  1  
Tue 8 Jan, 2008 10:08 pm
Roxxxanne wrote:
eoe wrote:
I have to agree. It's a relief to know that the people didn't buy the hype. Truly a different mindset. There's hope for us all!


You really don't know what they were thinking. I think a lot of undeclared thought that Obama had it in the bag and wanted to derail Romney.


What I do know is that the people didn't merely jump on the bandwagon. The media sounded quite convincing in predicting an Obama win tonight and that didn't happen. I'm disappointed but also buoyed. This is good.
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Butrflynet
 
  1  
Tue 8 Jan, 2008 10:10 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
I wonder why the polls were off on this one?


I'm caught up now and my opinion of what happened hasn't changed. The polls were off because they took place before the tears/reaction to the tears.
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Roxxxanne
 
  1  
Tue 8 Jan, 2008 10:14 pm
I know I really felt sorry for her and I feel good for her now.
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Roxxxanne
 
  1  
Tue 8 Jan, 2008 10:16 pm
maporsche wrote:
Roxxxanne wrote:
maporsche wrote:
I think that the post-Iowa Obama hype has just bitten him in the ass.....and hard.


That doesn't make any sense.


Sure it does....and it will make a lot more sense over the next week when all you hear on the news shows is about Hillary's comeback win in NH....a win that was expected up until 5 days ago....then after Iowa, Obama by 13% based on Iowa hype....then he lost by 3-4% tonight.

Without the hype it is an expected Clinton win.
With the hype, it a resounding Obama loss.


It still makes no sense to me.
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Butrflynet
 
  1  
Tue 8 Jan, 2008 10:18 pm
One thing to keep in mind is that New Hampshire is not an all or nothing state. Both Obama and Clinton will come away with 8 delegates each from New Hampshire.
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maporsche
 
  1  
Tue 8 Jan, 2008 10:18 pm
Roxxxanne wrote:
maporsche wrote:
Roxxxanne wrote:
maporsche wrote:
I think that the post-Iowa Obama hype has just bitten him in the ass.....and hard.


That doesn't make any sense.


Sure it does....and it will make a lot more sense over the next week when all you hear on the news shows is about Hillary's comeback win in NH....a win that was expected up until 5 days ago....then after Iowa, Obama by 13% based on Iowa hype....then he lost by 3-4% tonight.

Without the hype it is an expected Clinton win.
With the hype, it a resounding Obama loss.


It still makes no sense to me.


Well, ignorance is bliss.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
  1  
Tue 8 Jan, 2008 10:20 pm
I just watched Hills victory speech and couldn't help but notice that the audience was a sea of young faces... so I guess Obama doesn't have a lock on the youth vote after all.
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maporsche
 
  1  
Tue 8 Jan, 2008 10:20 pm
Butrflynet wrote:
One thing to keep in mind is that New Hampshire is not an all or nothing state. Both Obama and Clinton will come away with 8 delegates each from New Hampshire.


I understand that fact, but 8 delegates is not worth anywhere near what the play in the media will be.

I'm hearing all over the news that Clinton's win has been one of the "greatest political upsets in American history". I've only been watching MSNBC, but still, that's all they're saying.
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Roxxxanne
 
  1  
Tue 8 Jan, 2008 10:21 pm
Butrflynet wrote:
One thing to keep in mind is that New Hampshire is not an all or nothing state. Both Obama and Clinton will come away with 8 delegates each from New Hampshire.


Thanks for pointing that out. This is a WIN for the party as now there is GREAT excitement for both candidates.
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maporsche
 
  1  
Tue 8 Jan, 2008 10:22 pm
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
I just watched Hills victory speech and couldn't help but notice that the audience was a sea of young faces... so I guess Obama doesn't have a lock on the youth vote after all.


I saw the same thing.

She'll have my 28 year old vote. However, I'll be voting in Illinois so it may not mean too much.
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Butrflynet
 
  1  
Tue 8 Jan, 2008 10:23 pm
Roxxxanne wrote:
maporsche wrote:
Roxxxanne wrote:
maporsche wrote:
I think that the post-Iowa Obama hype has just bitten him in the ass.....and hard.


That doesn't make any sense.


Sure it does....and it will make a lot more sense over the next week when all you hear on the news shows is about Hillary's comeback win in NH....a win that was expected up until 5 days ago....then after Iowa, Obama by 13% based on Iowa hype....then he lost by 3-4% tonight.

Without the hype it is an expected Clinton win.
With the hype, it a resounding Obama loss.


It still makes no sense to me.



Translation: The high expectations of a massive Obama win in New Hampshire after the Iowa caucus and current loss in New Hampshire to Clinton will be fodder for an "I told you so and we're going all the way now" from the Clinton campaign supporters.

Without the high expectations, this close loss would not offer as much fodder to be chewed on and spun out.
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kickycan
 
  1  
Tue 8 Jan, 2008 10:25 pm
Roxxxanne wrote:
kickycan wrote:
But she'll still never be president.


Either she or Obama will.


Or McCain. Maybe even Romney. Please god don't let it be Romney. But it could happen. We got Bush twice, after all. You never know.
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maporsche
 
  1  
Tue 8 Jan, 2008 10:26 pm
kickycan wrote:
Roxxxanne wrote:
kickycan wrote:
But she'll still never be president.


Either she or Obama will.


Or McCain. Maybe even Romney. Please god don't let it be Romney. But it could happen. We got Bush twice, after all. You never know.


Yes, please god not Romney.

McCain would be fine. A Clinton vs. McCain election would be very tough for me.
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eoe
 
  1  
Tue 8 Jan, 2008 10:26 pm
Oh please. Greatest political upset??? This is just the primaries. Damn the media. They make up this **** at a moments notice, throw it out there and pat each other on the back if it sticks. For a minute. Until another network throws another handful of crap.
Did anyone seriously think that it was over for Clinton after Iowa?
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maporsche
 
  1  
Tue 8 Jan, 2008 10:29 pm
eoe wrote:
Oh please. Greatest political upset??? This is just the primaries. Damn the media. They make up this **** at a moments notice, throw it out there and pat each other on the back if it sticks. For a minute. Until another network throws another handful of crap.
Did anyone seriously think that it was over for Clinton after Iowa?


I agree, it's insane, but this is the type of press that Obama is now up against.
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realjohnboy
 
  1  
Tue 8 Jan, 2008 10:30 pm
Good night to yall. Soz went to bed a couple hours ago. She is not going to be a happy camper tomorrow morning.
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Butrflynet
 
  1  
Tue 8 Jan, 2008 10:32 pm
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
I just watched Hills victory speech and couldn't help but notice that the audience was a sea of young faces... so I guess Obama doesn't have a lock on the youth vote after all.


I never thought Obama's supporters were limited to or had a lock on young voters. In all the political rallies and meetings I've been to and read about, there is a constant comment by participants about it being 40+ years since they were excited enough about a candidate to do some grassroots field work for them. If you take a look at all the photos on the Obama website and read the blogs you'll see many pictures and personal accounts from every single venue that shows that to be true.

The media mistakenly reports it as mostly young people because they equate the new campaign technology and strategy with youth.
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Butrflynet
 
  1  
Tue 8 Jan, 2008 10:34 pm
maporsche wrote:
Butrflynet wrote:
One thing to keep in mind is that New Hampshire is not an all or nothing state. Both Obama and Clinton will come away with 8 delegates each from New Hampshire.


I understand that fact, but 8 delegates is not worth anywhere near what the play in the media will be.

I'm hearing all over the news that Clinton's win has been one of the "greatest political upsets in American history". I've only been watching MSNBC, but still, that's all they're saying.


Of course the media is going to spin it that way. Do you expect them to come out and say that the polls they paid for were completely wrong?
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eoe
 
  1  
Tue 8 Jan, 2008 10:36 pm
Well, they're still scratching their heads on CNN.
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