Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Tue 8 Jan, 2008 09:33 pm
called for Hillary.

Cycloptichorn
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Roxxxanne
 
  1  
Tue 8 Jan, 2008 09:34 pm
Women came out in droves for Hillary> I guess the tears worked!
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maporsche
 
  1  
Tue 8 Jan, 2008 09:35 pm
Roxxxanne wrote:
Women came out in droves for Hillary> I guess the tears worked!


I can't wait for my chance to vote for her.

Tears or not.
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kickycan
 
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Tue 8 Jan, 2008 09:36 pm
Of course the tears worked. No man can win against a woman's tears (although, she didn't actually shed any tears).

I bet it also had to do with Bill Clinton getting out there and spreading the bullshit around.
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Roxxxanne
 
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Tue 8 Jan, 2008 09:36 pm
Independents went over to bolster McCain. Maybe they thought Obama was a shoo-in.
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nimh
 
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Tue 8 Jan, 2008 09:39 pm
Just passing this on too.. might be something to it.

Quote:
Secret Ballot Versus Caucus: A Theory

If you're a Hillary Clinton supporter, it must not be easy to admit in public. You risk the ire of the omnipresent Clinton haters; you look like an establishmentarian square. And it must be even harder to admit in a social forum like the Iowa Caucuses. But in the privacy of the voting booth, it's a lot easier to say that you're bucking the Obama swoon and prefer HRC.

-- Frank Foer
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maporsche
 
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Tue 8 Jan, 2008 09:40 pm
I think that the post-Iowa Obama hype has just bitten him in the ass.....and hard.
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kickycan
 
  1  
Tue 8 Jan, 2008 09:43 pm
Don't worry. Soon all this hope and change crap will be gone and we'll once again have a choice between a couple of phony pieces of crap that wouldn't piss on us to put us out if we were on fire.
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realjohnboy
 
  1  
Tue 8 Jan, 2008 09:44 pm
Last time I checked the raw numbers, the total Dem votes had dropped to just 1.2 times the Repub votes. That, I think, was unexpected. The assumption was that the undeclareds would play in the Dem's sandbox.
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cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Tue 8 Jan, 2008 09:48 pm
I wonder why the polls were off on this one?
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
  1  
Tue 8 Jan, 2008 09:48 pm
oh yeah... god forbid anyone can just credit her for the WIN!!!!!!

WELL SHE DID BITCHES..... Laughing Cool
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kickycan
 
  1  
Tue 8 Jan, 2008 09:52 pm
But she'll still never be president.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
  1  
Tue 8 Jan, 2008 09:53 pm
time will tell kickster, time will tell.
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maporsche
 
  1  
Tue 8 Jan, 2008 09:56 pm
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
oh yeah... god forbid anyone can just credit her for the WIN!!!!!!

WELL SHE DID BITCHES..... Laughing Cool


She did great.

I'm very happy she won tonight, if for no other reason then that it give more Americans a say in who our party's nominee is going to be. The media would have played nothing but "Obama, 'the future democratic nominee for president'" if he'd won tonight. This is a good win for Clinton, and a necessary one for democracy.
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Roxxxanne
 
  1  
Tue 8 Jan, 2008 09:58 pm
kickycan wrote:
But she'll still never be president.


Either she or Obama will.
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eoe
 
  1  
Tue 8 Jan, 2008 10:00 pm
I have to agree. It's a relief to know that the people didn't buy the hype. Truly a different mindset. There's hope for us all!
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Roxxxanne
 
  1  
Tue 8 Jan, 2008 10:00 pm
maporsche wrote:
I think that the post-Iowa Obama hype has just bitten him in the ass.....and hard.


That doesn't make any sense.
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Roxxxanne
 
  1  
Tue 8 Jan, 2008 10:02 pm
eoe wrote:
I have to agree. It's a relief to know that the people didn't buy the hype. Truly a different mindset. There's hope for us all!


You really don't know what they were thinking. I think a lot of undeclared thought that Obama had it in the bag and wanted to derail Romney.
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Butrflynet
 
  1  
Tue 8 Jan, 2008 10:02 pm
sozobe wrote:
Think this is about McCain? That the independents went for him instead of Obama -- maybe even because with the polls and everything they thought Obama would win easily without their help?

If Hillary wins this, I'm going to be way more mad about Bill's "fairytale" speech than I have been so far. (Obama has been consistently against the Iraq war. Obama and Hillary have not had exactly the same voting record since 2004. I don't know what those "crook" claims are but in context I wouldn't be surprised if they're in the same category as the first two claims.)

From exit polls, a significant number of people decided who to vote for today.

Argh, 40-35. Need to get to bed.


Just getting home and sitting down to catch up on things so they may be a bit out of context to what's going on as I get caught up to current results.

I think it is a backlash by those who were still undecideds over yesterday's gleeful reactions to Hillary showing a tiny bit of emotion over having to work so hard at getting elected. It isn't a reaction to her being emotional, it is a reaction to everyone pointing to the crack in the wall of the "Ice Queen" and celebrating over the achievement of finally getting to her.

There were several points yesterday where I was so pissed off about it after listening to endless reports and sneers about it, I may have switched my vote from Obama to Hillary over it if I were voting yesterday in reaction to that.

If it was a Clinton campaign strategy then it was well-played and Hillary really does know how to better manipulate and handle the press and her enemies.
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eoe
 
  1  
Tue 8 Jan, 2008 10:03 pm
I was in agreement with maporcshe.
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