Obama '08?

Butrflynet, I've been using absentee ballots for many years, because I travel so much, but as you say, the advantage is that the voting machines are not alway reliable so we get another "benefit" with the paper ballots.

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sozobe wrote:

First, I have to say I'm happy to see these new faces in here -- not new to A2K but new to this thread. Welcome.

Is this more evidence that Obama has a way of bringing people together to talk with each other about solutions rather than blame each other? This thread appears to be a microcosm of the electorate's mood. :wink:

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Why does Hillary polarise the vote so?

Genuine question, I don't get it, I'm a Brit.

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Butrflynet wrote:

sozobe wrote:
First, I have to say I'm happy to see these new faces in here -- not new to A2K but new to this thread. Welcome.

Is this more evidence that Obama has a way of bringing people together to talk with each other about solutions rather than blame each other? This thread appears to be a microcosm of the electorate's mood. :wink:

I think everyone is still in shock! :wink:

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OCCOM BILL wrote:

Other thoughts: Who will be the choices for VP? (Is that why Biden ran?)

These thoughts were on my mind as I tossed and turned last night unable to sleep because I was too excited about the win.

At what point do candidates seriously begin contemplating their choices for VP?

Who is on his short list?

Should Obama do as Bush did and appoint someone no one will want to see as President to protect himself from assassination/impeachment? If so, who might that person be and still contribute to an Obama win in the general election?

Wouldn't it be great if Obama's VP were a minority woman? Who is on the radar for such a possibility? Wonder if Barbara Lee is on the list.

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We've been talking about that over here:

http://www.able2know.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=104115

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cyphercat wrote:

Hee! Well, I posted way back at the beginning somewhere so I'd remember to keep an eye on what you've all been talking about, but I've been trying to stay away and not get too hopeful as long as I could, because I honestly don't know if I could take another disappointment like '04! I really liked Kerry (weird, I know!), and went to rallies, and just got super caught up in it, and it was so awful when he lost. I was kind of not wanting to get too stuck on Obama if he didn't have a chance at all, so I didn't get my heart broken twice... but I can't hold out any longer now, I'm officially caught up in it!

This is exactly the point made earlier. It isn't a Southern thing or a Black thing. Many folks all over the US are silently holding back their breaths and support until they see he really does have a chance.

The Obama campaign is stepping up the precinct operations in all the states now (even revamped their website to better support the wider focus).

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McTag wrote:

Why does Hillary polarise the vote so?

Genuine question, I don't get it, I'm a Brit.

McT

Soz points to one discussion. There have been quite a few on various threads. At this point in time, resolution or consensus is not in the offing.

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Oh, actually I was pointing to the VP thread, per Butrflynet's musings -- though there was some discussion of Hillary there too, you're right.

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McTag wrote:

Why does Hillary polarise the vote so?

Genuine question, I don't get it, I'm a Brit.

She's a strong personality and people with strong personalities tend to evoke strong feelings from others. You either like them or you don't. I'm not familiar with many people who are neutral on Hillary.

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By the way, musings about who will be Obama's VP (if he wins!) are certainly appropriate here, Butrflynet and all. That was "this is what I've said about it so far if you're interested" rather than "talk about it there instead, please."

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That doesn't quite hit it for me, JPB. I liked Hillary fine, and was mostly concerned about her becoming the nominee because I knew that there were a lot of people who DID feel so strongly about her, and I didn't want the nominee to have to maneuver with so little margin for error. With so many people who had already decided that they'd never vote for her.

Since then, I've been annoyed at many aspects of her campaign. The "Bunker Hillary" article crystallized a lot of what bothered me, and indicated that impressions I had (basically that she felt that she had to act like the Republican Machine to beat it) had a basis in reality.

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"Bunker Hillary"

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sozobe wrote:

"Bunker Hillary"

and....on the other hand... Greg Sargent at TPM...

Quote:

Yes, of course these things are true. The point here is not merely that Hillary is nothing but a martyred victim. The point, rather, is that it's deeply weird that reporters and commentators so frequently seem unaware that there's a connection between Hillary's hostility towards the press and their own treatment of her for 15 years.

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/horsesmouth/2008/01/reporters_hilla.php

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Can't they both be aware of it and not like it?

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Basically -- I can (and do) have a lot of sympathy for the wringer she's been put through, and can (and do) understand that she'd be hostile towards the press.

Separately from that, I don't want another president who is hostile towards the press.

Quote:

After complaining about the Clinton machine for a spell, one political reporter fondly described how much easier dealing with the Obama campaign had been: "The Obama press office is nothing like this. They've got a very open and friendly press office." There was a pause. "But, then, he's losing.

And if he's not losing...?

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soz

Sure, both possibilities are open and both are likely happening. And there's the matter of the press/media moving in narrative-driven herds. Whatever is going on here is not simple. But for absolute certain, Chris Matthews (as one undeniable example) hasn't a clue as regards the depth of his male chauvinism.

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sozobe wrote:

Basically -- I can (and do) have a lot of sympathy for the wringer she's been put through, and can (and do) understand that she'd be hostile towards the press.

Separately from that, I don't want another president who is hostile towards the press.

Quote:
After complaining about the Clinton machine for a spell, one political reporter fondly described how much easier dealing with the Obama campaign had been: "The Obama press office is nothing like this. They've got a very open and friendly press office." There was a pause. "But, then, he's losing.

And if he's not losing...?

Well, that's a very good point. There are serious disadvantages which accrue to Hillar as candidate and as potential president simply as a consequence of this reality, whether just or injust.

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Well, that's not quite what I was saying, thought that's part of it. I also just don't want that f*ck-you, no-press-conferences-because-the-press-is-evil kind of atmosphere we've had with Bush.

This kind of stuff:

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Reporters' jabs and errors are long remembered, and no hour is too odd for an angry phone call. Clinton aides are especially swift to bypass reporters and complain to top editors. "They're frightening!" says one reporter who has covered Clinton. "They don't see [reporting] as a healthy part of the process. They view this as a ruthless kill-or-be-killed game."

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Yeah. And all of that attitude on part of Hillary is perfetly understandable considering the past - but its NOT what you need in a President right now.

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