Obama '08?

eoe wrote:

Bi-Polar Bear wrote:

God should destroy us and start again.

What? You mean make a "new" model of man? One that will embrace someone different from themselves rather than fear and seek to destroy them instead?

something along those lines....and a third breast in the middle of the back for slow dancing....

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joefromchicago wrote:

Ike versus Stevenson wasn't 1948, it was 1952. Truman ran against Dewey in 1948.

Thanks for the correction.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

maporsche: God is all for punishing the infidels.

Yeah, christians against christians, christians against jews, jews against muslims, muslims against jews, muslims against muslims, and christians against muslims.

Great creation!

And ALL against Atheists/Agnostics. Actually, that is the common theme of all the religions. At least they have something in common.

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maporsche wrote:

God is all for punishing the infidels.

Nonsense! There's no evidence that God punishes any human being.

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Bi-Polar Bear wrote:

eoe wrote:
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:

God should destroy us and start again.

What? You mean make a "new" model of man? One that will embrace someone different from themselves rather than fear and seek to destroy them instead?

something along those lines....and a third breast in the middle of the back for slow dancing....

why do they call you Bear? why don't they you Pig?

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Miller wrote:

maporsche wrote:

God is all for punishing the infidels.

Nonsense! There's no evidence that God punishes any human being.

Well that's true...there is no evidence of god so of course there would be no evidence of his punishment.

But if you're a believer, then I don't know how you could read the OT and not see evidence of god's wrath.

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eoe wrote:

Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
eoe wrote:
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:

God should destroy us and start again.

What? You mean make a "new" model of man? One that will embrace someone different from themselves rather than fear and seek to destroy them instead?

something along those lines....and a third breast in the middle of the back for slow dancing....

why do they call you Bear? why don't they you Pig?

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Man's creation of gods have shown it to be a huge failure.

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nimh wrote:

How does that play out? Do you think his promises to champion bipartisanism are just electoral strategy? Or do you think one can be at the same time the more agressive champion of progressive causes and be the man working across the aisle bringing the nation together? But the key question then is, how would he be going to wrest clear progressive policy from broad bipartisan coalitions? By the power of charisma?

Yes. Will it be pure progressive? Of course not... but no candidate here is running for King. The limited powers of President require bi-partisan support... and Obama appears to be far and away the best Democrat for reaching across the isle.

Interestingly; McCain is that candidate on the Republican side. If that winds up being the General; I know I won't be alone in rejoicing the first opportunity of my life to choose between two guys I'd like to see elected President. JPB got that right.

This struck me as well:

JPB wrote:

Also, McCain was looking for the crossover vote in NH to life him over Romney. He now has to worry that the crossover vote will go into the Dem primary to support Obama instead of the Republican primary.

No doubt a real concern. Question: If both Obama and McCain both manage to wins in New Hampshire, then wouldn't that prove, much to the chagrin of the far Left and the far Right, that those of us in the middle really are the majority?

nimh wrote:

nimh wrote:
but she does so in an especially elevated way in the South, in particular the borderlands (VA, KY, TN, MO, AR). Why there?

Sorry, I meant to add, "And why would the difference between how she and Obama fare be especially pronounced there?

I'm thinking racism, but I might be too pessimistic, and the data set is narrow..."

Less education and lower incomes there, which polls show both to be a disadvantage for Obama. (Try to summarize that without offending Laughing

)

Other thoughts: Who will be the choices for VP? (Is that why Biden ran?)

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Not to take the conversation away from Obama, but I'm surprised to see so many of y'all mentioning how likeable you find Huckabee... just curious, last I heard, it was looking like he'd fired the head of the state troopers who wouldn't help him cover up his son hanging and stoning that dog-- did that get disproven? Or just doesn't make him unlikeable...? What're your takes on that?

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First, I have to say I'm happy to see these new faces in here -- not new to A2K but new to this thread. Welcome!

For me, I think Huckabee has a ton of fatal flaws -- he's not someone I'm ever going to vote for. And the incident you mention is a yucky one. (Here's more about it:)

http://www.newsweek.com/id/78241

With all of that said, I think he's likable in a couple of ways. 1.) He's likable and is therefore dangerous... I don't think he's dangerous enough to win it all, but I definitely agree that the likability is what makes me not write him off completely. 2.) He's likable in terms of interviews, general entertainment value -- the whole Chuck Norris thing for example.

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One of the things I fear about Huckabee is his propensity to hide and keep secrets ala Bush that goes beyond "power." .

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Persistent yuckiness about Huckabee notwithstanding, I think he's likable in other ways than just the interview/entertainment factor. He sounds sincere when he talks, he appears to think about some things (though clearly not about others) and comes across as very human. These aren't particularly stunning positive qualities but they do contrast pretty heavily with the typical conservative stereotype. I think what gave him the win was a lot of what gave Obama the win, a general dissatisfaction with the same old same old. Well, that and the huge christian vote.

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FreeDuck, Don't forget: Bush is "likeable" in person too! At least that's been "common knowledge."

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Well, not to me he hasn't ever been. He's always come across to me as bitter, sulky, and mean spirited, when not clueless.

I'm not saying that he's likable enough to get my vote. But he's likable enough to make me investigate.

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nimh wrote:

Butrflynet wrote:
Quote:
"I am so ready for the rest of this campaign, and I am so ready to lead," said Clinton, sounding upbeat and confident

before a crowded room of supporters in Des Moines. [..]

"I am so proud to have run with such exceptional candidates," Clinton said, congratulating Obama

So ready, so ready, so proud. The lady doth protests too much.. ;-)

Heh...I didn't hear her speech until after I'd read that article. All I could hear was a Valley Girl voice saying "I am like sooo ready for the rest of this campaign and I am like sooo ready to lead."

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FreeDuck wrote:

I also thought the speech was excellent. Certainly the best of all of them. I joked to my husband that he was taking so long getting to the podium because he wasn't expecting to win and he had to change his speech. Or maybe he was just practicing, but it paid off.

This is just hunch, of course, I can't back it up, but I expect to see Hillary slide in the southern states almost immediately. And I think Edwards will get a boost. If Obama does well in South Carolina then that may improve his showing in the other southern states some.

A lot was made last night about how Obama proved that white people would vote for him. I think that's true, but I think there is a big difference between Iowa and Alabama, if you know what I mean. It will be interesting to see.

This is so exciting!

He took the time to send some personal emails and make a few phone calls to his campaign staff and organizers to thank them for their hard work before going down to the party to make his speech.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

One of the things I fear about Huckabee is his propensity to hide and keep secrets ala Bush that goes beyond "power." .

Yeah, agreed. Just reading about the Dumond thing and this deal with his son, he seems to have been very secretive, willing to lie, all around weaselly.

sozobe wrote:

First, I have to say I'm happy to see these new faces in here -- not new to A2K but new to this thread. Welcome!

Hee! Well, I posted way back at the beginning somewhere so I'd remember to keep an eye on what you've all been talking about, but I've been trying to stay away and not get too hopeful as long as I could, because I honestly don't know if I could take another disappointment like '04! I really liked Kerry (weird, I know!), and went to rallies, and just got super caught up in it, and it was so awful when he lost. I was kind of not wanting to get too stuck on Obama if he didn't have a chance at all, so I didn't get my heart broken twice... but I can't hold out any longer now, I'm officially caught up in it!

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For me, I think Huckabee has a ton of fatal flaws -- he's not someone I'm ever going to vote for. And the incident you mention is a yucky one. (Here's more about it:)

http://www.newsweek.com/id/78241

With all of that said, I think he's likable in a couple of ways. 1.) He's likable and is therefore dangerous... I don't think he's dangerous enough to win it all, but I definitely agree that the likability is what makes me not write him off completely. 2.) He's likable in terms of interviews, general entertainment value -- the whole Chuck Norris thing for example.

Thanks for the link, I'll check it out...

I see what you mean about him being entertaining, and I'm not surprised a lot of people find him likeable-- I was just surprised so many of you guys were mentioning his likeability... you all had seemed so, you know, normal! (I keed, I keed! Very Happy

)

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FreeDuck wrote:

Well, not to me he hasn't ever been. He's always come across to me as bitter, sulky, and mean spirited, when not clueless.

Oh, forgot to say: FreeDuck, that is a wonderfully pithy description of W. Love it.

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JPB wrote:

Another thing on momentum into NH. The gap between Iowa and NH is down to five days -- not much time to change a message. Historically the winner in Iowa hasn't fared all that well in NH, but historically there was a longer gap. I think (hope/pray) that Hillary's in trouble in NH.

Also, McCain was looking for the crossover vote in NH to life him over Romney. He now has to worry that the crossover vote will go into the Dem primary to support Obama instead of the Republican primary.

California will play a big role in Super Tuesday too. Mail-in ballots are due out in 5 days. If Obama wins NH after also winning Iowa, the early mail-in ballots for California will be heavily influenced by the bounce his campaign will receive and will continue to snowball long before votes are cast on Super Tuesday a month later. A lot of people are planning to vote with mail-in ballots because they don't trust the vote machines/computers in the precincts.

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