snood
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2008 04:47 am
Play this, you over the hill wannabe rockstar loser. and no one gives a shyt about your "support".
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2008 05:15 am
Better than your first draft, Bear... but still asinine.
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blatham
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2008 05:57 am
Butrflynet wrote:
Just received this note from Senator Obama...It is now official...

Quote:
Lynn --
We just won Iowa, and I'm about to head down to talk to everyone.
Democrats turned out in record numbers tonight, and independents and even some Republicans joined our party to stand together for change.
Thank you for everything you've done to make this possible.
Barack


Earlier I congratulated soz and that should have included you too. I've really very happy for both of you, not to mention proud, and I'm happy for all of us.

David Brooks has a very good column this morning at the Times...
Quote:


And he's very smart too about the republicans, I think...
Quote:
Huckabee won because he tapped into realities that other Republicans have been slow to recognize. First, evangelicals have changed. Huckabee is the first ironic evangelical on the national stage. He's funny, campy (see his Chuck Norris fixation) and he's not at war with modern culture.

Second, Huckabee understands much better than Mitt Romney that we have a crisis of authority in this country. People have lost faith in their leaders' ability to respond to problems. While Romney embodies the leadership class, Huckabee went after it. He criticized Wall Street and K Street. Most importantly, he sensed that conservatives do not believe their own movement is well led. He took on Rush Limbaugh, the Club for Growth and even President Bush. The old guard threw everything they had at him, and their diminished power is now exposed...

So the race will move on to New Hampshire. Mitt Romney is now grievously wounded. Romney represents what's left of Republicanism 1.0. Huckabee and McCain represent half-formed iterations of Republicanism 2.0. My guess is Republicans will now swing behind McCain in order to stop Mike.

Huckabee probably won't be the nominee, but starting last night in Iowa, an evangelical began the Republican Reformation.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/04/opinion/04brooks.html?hp
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snood
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2008 05:59 am
This from a blog by Joseph Palermo:


The good news of the night is that Barack Obama won the election. There is the audacity of hope that the Democratic Party might, after all it's suffered in recent years, has the good sense NOT to nominate another mealy-mouthed "moderate" who will "triangulate" against the grassroots base of the party. The simple fact is that President Bill Clinton left the Democratic Party in far worse shape when he left the White House than it had been in when he entered. Hillary Clinton promises more of the Rahm Emanuel-type betrayal of the progressive wing of the party. She is the Establishment's choice and she will betray progressives on behalf of Wall Street just as her husband did in the 1990s. We are light years past that being a desirable outcome for our nation today.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

It's debatable whether Bill left the party worse off, but not that Democrats are past needing someone to slyly "triangulate", and play the center. Down with billary. Go Obama, Go!
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snood
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2008 06:21 am
From a Des Moines Newspaper...

Des Moines -- Barack Obama's decisive victory in the Iowa Caucus is probably even larger than most people realize. In a battery of national polls -- often inaccurate but relentlessly pitched as self-fulfilling media predictions -- Clinton led by an average of 21 points just last week. As the Clinton Campaign used to emphasize, she also led in December polls from every upcoming primary state, from Iowa to Nevada. She spent about $7 million on over 8,000 television ads in Iowa, plus at least another $10 million on outreach in the state, and stood on the shoulders of Democratic giants, from President Clinton to Michael Whouley to a sizable chunk of the liberal policy establishment.
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woiyo
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2008 06:56 am
Hopefully, this is an indication of how most American Voters feel about Clinton. Total rejection of the past, and a look forward to a new brand of Democrats.

Good luck Barack.
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nimh
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2008 07:48 am
OCCOM BILL wrote:
Nimh, I tossed that out there because I happened to notice it, and to throw Butrflynet a bone... Not to rub it in, sorry. Do you really think Edwards is done already? Shocked

Well, he wont drop out for a long while still, for sure.. But unless my pipe dream of the contest becoming Obama vs Edwards comes true*, his chances of winning are done with now, yes. It's an unfair world.


*then again, the debates that would ensue here in that case would surely make me a persona non grata for good on this thread.. ;-)
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2008 07:51 am
Am I the only one who thinks that Huckabee isn't all that bad? I've seen him on Mill Maher and he actually has some pretty good ideas and a few things going for him. I'm glad he won. Can't wait to see what New Hampshire brings us. I think both nominations will come down to the wire.

From where I sit now, if the Democrats nominate either Obama or Edwards, and the Republicans nominate either McCain or Huckabee, I might have a truly tough choice to make in November, and not for the usual reason -- that they both suck.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2008 07:59 am
nimh wrote:

Well, he wont drop out for a long while still, for sure.. But unless my pipe dream of the contest becoming Obama vs Edwards comes true*, his chances of winning are done with now, yes. It's an unfair world.


*then again, the debates that would ensue here in that case would surely make me a persona non grata for good on this thread.. ;-)


Clearly I'm no political analyst, but I see your dream as a distinct possibility. The southern states are yet to come.

I'm thinking Hillary is going to have a tough row to hoe if she wants to stay in the race. Her loss dents one of the only things she really had going for her, and that's the perception that she was unbeatable. Bill came back in 1992, but he was more of an outsider then. So I'm going to say that if anyone is done, it's her. (May just be wishful thinking on my part)
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nimh
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2008 08:02 am
Butrflynet wrote:
Quote:
"I am so ready for the rest of this campaign, and I am so ready to lead," said Clinton, sounding upbeat and confident

before a crowded room of supporters in Des Moines. [..]

"I am so proud to have run with such exceptional candidates," Clinton said, congratulating Obama

So ready, so ready, so proud. The lady doth protests too much.. ;-)
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sozobe
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2008 08:02 am
Huckabee has a few good ideas and a few really really wack-job ideas.

Plus there's the whole thing of not knowing about the NIE, then lying about whether he was "ambushed." (In fact the NIE -- about Iran and nukes -- came out at something like 9:00 AM one morning, and he was asked about it sometime the next day, after more than a full day of intense coverage. He claimed that he was asked the same day.)

Lots and lots of stuff like that. I can't see him lasting but currently I'd like to see him be the Republican opponent.



So last night I turned off the computer, then we talked a bit, then we finished getting ready for bed, and I just had to bound back and turn on the TV to see if Obama had given his speech yet. Huckabee was giving his (in front of scary Chuck Norris and scary, overly-emotive blonde) and there were "Obama will be giving his speech shortly" teasers and I figured if we had already stayed up this late, would another 5 minutes really hurt anything? Of course it took a while, but we all finally saw the speech, which I thought was really, really good. Happy but calm, presidential, and inspiring. Sozlet was really affected by the whole thing.

Finally got to bed at 11:30 -- figured that we just did this instead of New Year's Eve.



Spare thought when I saw the final results -- wouldn't it be amazing if our next election isn't one of those hanging-chad squeakers? If the next president doesn't just win but WINS with a really resounding majority?
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Brand X
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2008 08:05 am
I'm with FD's thoughts except I think Huck is all that bad.

Lately he's been gaffe central and he isn't very sharp...not to mention his underlying holy crap.
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nimh
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2008 08:06 am
FreeDuck wrote:
Clearly I'm no political analyst, but I see your dream as a distinct possibility. The southern states are yet to come.

Perhaps surprisingly, Hillary doesnt look badly positioned at all in the southern states.. better than Obama, actually (perhaps because of race?). It's more likely in the Midwest and Northwest that Obama has all the advantage. I dont know that either offers Edwards the chance to squeeze in between after all - tho I sure appreciate the hopeful note! Smile
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sozobe
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2008 08:09 am
I expect Iowa to really impact those numbers though. Again and again, I've seen black people say that they'd love to vote for Obama but just don't think he can win. He can win.
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blatham
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2008 08:10 am
sozobe wrote:
Huckabee has a few good ideas and a few really really wack-job ideas.

Plus there's the whole thing of not knowing about the NIE, then lying about whether he was "ambushed." (In fact the NIE -- about Iran and nukes -- came out at something like 9:00 AM one morning, and he was asked about it sometime the next day, after more than a full day of intense coverage. He claimed that he was asked the same day.)

Lots and lots of stuff like that. I can't see him lasting but currently I'd like to see him be the Republican opponent.



So last night I turned off the computer, then we talked a bit, then we finished getting ready for bed, and I just had to bound back and turn on the TV to see if Obama had given his speech yet. Huckabee was giving his (in front of scary Chuck Norris and scary, overly-emotive blonde) and there were "Obama will be giving his speech shortly" teasers and I figured if we had already stayed up this late, would another 5 minutes really hurt anything? Of course it took a while, but we all finally saw the speech, which I thought was really, really good. Happy but calm, presidential, and inspiring. Sozlet was really affected by the whole thing.

Finally got to bed at 11:30 -- figured that we just did this instead of New Year's Eve.

Spare thought when I saw the final results -- wouldn't it be amazing if our next election isn't one of those hanging-chad squeakers? If the next president doesn't just win but WINS with a really resounding majority?


soz

It was an exceptional speech. He is a truly gifted speaker and I think we will end up counting him as one of the greatest speakers in our lifetimes.
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JPB
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2008 08:12 am
Synonymph wrote:
snood wrote:
Butrflynet wrote:
JPB wrote:
I watched a CNN interview with Dean tonight and he still makes me as angry as he ever has.


I can't believe he is national chairperson of the Democrat party...


What makes you mad about him, and why can't you believe he's chairman?

Maybe because he said YAAAAAARRRRRRR!


Hi, syn -- good to see you.

It has absolutely nothing to do with the scream. He can scream all he wants to. I may have even supported him had he not bowed out - certainly more than my anything but GWB vote that went to Kerry.

No, it's in his roll as chairperson of the DNC that he's ticked me off time after time. One example was after the November '06 elections that gave the Dems control of both Houses and he made the TV circuits talking about what "we" were going to do now that "we" were in charge and proceeded to map out an agenda. Someone needs to tell this man that "HE" wasn't elected to anything by anyone and for "HIM" to map out the agenda for Congress REALLY pisses some people off.


Back to Obama....

I'm loving the coverage this morning. There's an excitement about this year's election that I haven't seen in many, many years. MSNBC was saying that this is the first true non-imbumbancy election in 80 years. I'm not sure how they are defining that, but maybe that's the source of the excitement.
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blatham
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2008 08:12 am
sozobe wrote:
I expect Iowa to really impact those numbers though. Again and again, I've seen black people say that they'd love to vote for Obama but just don't think he can win. He can win.


Yes. And isn't that too cool for words. Shall we assume (hopeful, but now more possible than ever) that the snowball is gathering up more and more folks who, through age, color or social status, previously felt outside the process?
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2008 08:14 am
I also thought the speech was excellent. Certainly the best of all of them. I joked to my husband that he was taking so long getting to the podium because he wasn't expecting to win and he had to change his speech. Or maybe he was just practicing, but it paid off.

This is just hunch, of course, I can't back it up, but I expect to see Hillary slide in the southern states almost immediately. And I think Edwards will get a boost. If Obama does well in South Carolina then that may improve his showing in the other southern states some.

A lot was made last night about how Obama proved that white people would vote for him. I think that's true, but I think there is a big difference between Iowa and Alabama, if you know what I mean. It will be interesting to see.

This is so exciting!
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2008 08:15 am
If Huck were to get the nod, if he ran against Clinton or Edwards, I would expect it to come down to a few hanging chads.

If he ran against Obama, ... Obama has no chance. Not against Huckabee, or Romney...or McCain. Zip. Nada.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2008 08:16 am
cjhsa, I think you couldn't be more wrong.
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