spendius
 
  1  
Fri 5 Oct, 2012 03:28 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I said "assuming that story is true". Can you not read?

I doubt anybody who hadn't done what he said would make it up.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Fri 5 Oct, 2012 03:46 pm
@spendius,
That's your assumption, is it not?

How did you arrive at the "10 points?"
mysteryman
 
  1  
Fri 5 Oct, 2012 04:17 pm
I found something for all of you that are going to whine, complain, and cry if your candidate loses this election...

http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/jetblue-offers-free-flight-candidate-loses-article-1.1175701?localLinksEnabled=false

If your candidate loses and you want to leave the US because of it, Jet Blue is offering free flights out of the country. See the attached link or go to their website.
snood
 
  1  
Fri 5 Oct, 2012 04:20 pm
@mysteryman,
mysteryman wrote:

I found something for all of you that are going to whine, complain, and cry if your candidate loses this election...

http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/jetblue-offers-free-flight-candidate-loses-article-1.1175701?localLinksEnabled=false

If your candidate loses and you want to leave the US because of it, Jet Blue is offering free flights out of the country. See the attached link or go to their website.


I hope you offer the same link to a right - leaning site as well, to be balanced. After all, they might lose, as well.
mysteryman
 
  1  
Fri 5 Oct, 2012 04:29 pm
@snood,
Come again?
Are you saying that I need to post the same story from a "right leaning" site, or I need to post it on a "right leaning" site?

While I took the story from a newspaper web page, all you have to do is go to the Jet Blue website and you will see the offer, along with a poll.
So I really don't understand your comment.
snood
 
  1  
Fri 5 Oct, 2012 04:54 pm
@mysteryman,
Well, let me try to explain it. You posted a link to an offer by JetBlue to fly anyone free who was displeased with the election results. You posted it here, on A2K, which is admittedly a left-leaning forum.

I was simply saying that you should also post the same offer on a right-leaning site, because their candidate might lose as well.

That help you any?
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spendius
 
  1  
Fri 5 Oct, 2012 05:08 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
How did you arrive at the "10 points?"


It was due to my natural propensity not to exaggerate.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Fri 5 Oct, 2012 05:33 pm
@spendius,
It's my opinion that it's "over the top." Yes, it's an exaggeration!

2 points would be stretching it.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Sat 6 Oct, 2012 12:16 am
@cicerone imposter,
Now get this: the GOP works on voter suppression, and now they're complaining that the unemployment number is fixed by the Obama administration.

That takes a lot of chuzpah, but with their lead man known as a habitual liar, what else can we expect from the GOP?

From the Washington Post.
Quote:
Will Romney's debate lies become the story?
By Jonathan Bernstein
The question for the press over the next few days is increasingly clear: Will the big story be about Mitt Romney’s debate victory — which, in turn, is almost certainly all about style points and Barack Obama’s flat performance? Or will it be about Romney’s repeated failures to stick to the facts?

The story here is that monolithic information flows can be fairly powerful, albeit limited both by basic partisanship and by those who, for other reasons, have already made up their mind. However, for those who might be still deciding, if everything they hear about the debate is positive for Romney, it certainly could affect their vote.

The most likely alternative story the press could wind up telling is pretty simple: Romney failed to tell the truth last night. That’s the story that the Obama campaign is pushing in their instant ad taken from the debate, which hits Romney on his tax plan; it’s the story that many of the liberal blogs are running with today, probably because that’s what wonky bloggers are apt to do anyway.

Will it be successful? It could. Paul Ryan’s convention speech wound up being covered mainly for its mendacity, and that became the story. It seems that there are at least as many factually challenged comments from Romney’s debate performance as there were in Ryan’s speech, although it may have lacked any screaming-headline lies. But if you want to know more about the short-term effects of the debate, I’d suggest keeping an eye on whether the neutral press starts devoting more time to fact checking Romney’s mendacity than it does to Romney’s presentation and stylistic victory. If it does, any potential large Romney bounce from the debate could well be undercut.
spendius
 
  1  
Sat 6 Oct, 2012 03:32 am
@cicerone imposter,
When a piece of good news comes in here just before an election most people say "nudge, nudge, wink, wink, say no more, know what I mean squire?"

What is Mr Romney's biggest lie? It's hard to tell from Mr Bernstein's waffle.
RABEL222
 
  1  
Sat 6 Oct, 2012 12:41 pm
@spendius,
That he is for all the people, even the 47% of people that demand food and clothing from the government?
spendius
 
  1  
Sat 6 Oct, 2012 01:24 pm
@RABEL222,
Are you assuming he was telling the truth in the fundraising clip somebody sneaked with a hidden camera. He can be for all the people and still think that the 47% of them will never vote for him.

Most people I know think that politicians of all stripes are for themselves. That they want office to exercise their control freakery. All of them. The more devious they are the less easy to detect as liars they are.

So Mr Romney can't be all that devious and that counts in his favour. He must be touchingly ingenuous and his opponent is too crafty to be caught out.
cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Sat 6 Oct, 2012 01:56 pm
@spendius,
It's not about the 47% not voting for him. It's about what he said about those 47% as freeloaders who pay no taxes. BIG DIFFERENCE!
revelette
 
  1  
Sat 6 Oct, 2012 02:38 pm
@spendius,
Quote:
Are you assuming he was telling the truth in the fundraising clip somebody sneaked with a hidden camera. He can be for all the people and still think that the 47% of them will never vote for him.



Quote:
And so my job is not to worry about those people—I'll never convince them that they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives.

source

It is pretty obvious he dismisses 47% of the people as deadbeats who have no "care for their lives."
spendius
 
  1  
Sat 6 Oct, 2012 03:10 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
It's not about the 47% not voting for him. It's about what he said about those 47% as freeloaders who pay no taxes. BIG DIFFERENCE!


And many millions, billions even, pay taxes who are miles worse off than the 47% of Americans who pay no income tax. One really can't sympathise with them all that much. With such a figure of 47% there must be many in the NFL stadia munching popcorn and driving around in fancy motors. I hardly think he was calling the food bank consumers freeloaders.

There must be A2Kers in the 47% whining about being called freeloaders when that is what they are.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Sat 6 Oct, 2012 03:12 pm
@spendius,
You're going off track again that has no relevance to the topic being discussed. Too much sauce again? Mr. Green Drunk Drunk Drunk Drunk Drunk
spendius
 
  1  
Sat 6 Oct, 2012 03:16 pm
@revelette,
Quote:
And so my job is not to worry about those people—I'll never convince them that they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives.


They are just words revel. What does taking personal responsibility mean? What does caring for their lives mean. Nothing really.
"Name me someone that's not a parasite
and I'll say a prayer for him" (Bob Dylan).

He was fund-raising and singing the tune required of him. It's a storm in a thimble.
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spendius
 
  1  
Sat 6 Oct, 2012 03:18 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
You're going off track again that has no relevance to the topic being discussed.


You bet!! Clever answer ci. I must say.
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revelette
 
  0  
Sat 6 Oct, 2012 03:35 pm
@spendius,
First off, most of the 47% pay payroll taxes and they pay state and local taxes. Some may not pay income taxes because their income level is simply not high enough to pay income taxes. The way the tax system is set up with earned income and child tax credit it reduces their taxes they end up being dropped out of the income tax bracket. The military does not pay taxes nor do the elderly and the disabled.

Moreover, Romney has now disavowed his 47% statement as "completely wrong" as well he should have. here




cicerone imposter
 
  0  
Sat 6 Oct, 2012 04:11 pm
@revelette,
Romney now says he said something complete wrong. The problem with his renege now is that he showed his true feelings and mindset about the middle class and the poor, the military, the retired , and disabled folks.

He now wants to criticize the unemployment rate by saying Obama said he'll bring down unemployment down to 5.5%. The problem the GOP has is they have voted against all job creating legislation forwarded by Obama.

They create handicaps like getting rid of tens of thousands of government workers, then complain.

Romney says he knows how to create 12-million jobs. Why is he keeping this a secret from our government?

What dorks!
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