hawkeye10
 
  1  
Sat 1 Oct, 2011 03:21 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:
Upon further reflection I realize that there are some subjects which are totally inappropriate to joke about, even if one refrains from actually spelling out the possibly offensive punch line
I certainly hope this nonsense is intended to be a joke. You have not gone over to the PC dark side have you?
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parados
 
  1  
Sat 1 Oct, 2011 07:30 am
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
Wrong, the debt data covers only the first two years, we see if it improves at all with the inclusion of year three

Perhaps you don't know how budgets work hawkeye. Obama's first budget was for 2010 to be enacted in 2009.

We are only now coming to the end of Obama's second budget year.
Oct 2009-Oct 2010
Oct 2010 - Oct 2011

The President's budget message for the 2009 budget can be found here -
http://www.gpoaccess.gov/usbudget/fy09/pdf/budget/message.pdf
You will find it signed by George Bush.
Quote:
In my 2009 Budget, I have set clear priorities that will help us meet our Nation’s most pressing
needs while addressing the long-term challenges ahead. With pro-growth policies and spending
discipline, we will balance the budget in 2012, keep the tax burden low, and provide for our national
security. And that will help make our country safer and more prosperous.
GEORGE W. BUSH
cicerone imposter
 
  0  
Sat 1 Oct, 2011 07:43 am
@parados,
"More prosperous" for who?
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spendius
 
  0  
Sat 1 Oct, 2011 07:53 am
@parados,
Quote:
Perhaps you don't know how budgets work hawkeye.


The way they work is that a percentage of males produce all the wealth( credit column) and the women spend it(debit column) in consumption competitions, which are fierce affairs with varying degrees of subtlety, and understandably so, aided and abetted by the rest of the men. When there's an overshoot of the balance into the red caused by getting overexcited, encouraged by Media for reasons too obvious for me to mention as doing so would insult your intelligence, and by politicians who have to promise too much to get elected.

So we have arrived somewhere near the position Livy describes the Romans getting to in about 450 BC which is finding it only slightly less intolerable than the remedy.

From a philosophical point of view such an outcome may be inevitable in a democracy with a wide ranging enfranchisement.

BTW-- I'm not saying that women shouldn't have the vote. All I'm suggesting, tentatively and with some trepidation, is that if they do have the vote this position is automatic in like manner to night following day or winter following summer.
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mysteryman
 
  1  
Sat 1 Oct, 2011 12:57 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I would disagree.
The time frame does matter when making comparisons like this, because using a comparable time frame gives you a more accurate result.

mysteryman
 
  3  
Sat 1 Oct, 2011 01:02 pm
@snood,
I apologize for how that sounded. It did sound a little snarky.

I was writing my response to you and was listening to my stepson be an ass, and I wrote what was intended for him, instead of what I was actually planning to write to you.

I will now go out and eat worms as an act of contrition...
snood
 
  3  
Sat 1 Oct, 2011 02:14 pm
@mysteryman,
No need, unless you've just got a hankerin' for the taste of some good ole nightcrawlers Laughing .

Yeah MM, you are one of the very few people I've been able to completely disagree with, without exchanging completely disagreeable words. I want to maintain the status quo with those few if I can.
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hawkeye10
 
  1  
Sun 2 Oct, 2011 04:08 am
Obama's Euro-Crisis Lecture Is 'Pitiful and Sad'

Quote:
Europeans are well aware of the seriousness of their ongoing debt crisis. But they don't, it seems, like to receive lectures from other countries -- especially the United States, which is struggling to deal with its own mountain of debt.

On Tuesday, German Finance Minister Wolfgang Schäuble curtly rejected recent American criticism of Europe's approach to solving its debt crisis. "I don't think Europe's problems are America's only problems," said Schäuble, who has become increasingly sharp-tongued as the euro crisis deepens. "It's always easier to give other people advice."
Schäuble was referring to strongly worded comments made by US President Barack Obama and US Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner in recent days. At an event in California on Monday, Obama warned Europeans that their inaction was "scaring the world." The Europeans, he said, "have not fully healed from the crisis back in 2007 and never fully dealt with all the challenges that their banking system faced. It's now being compounded by what's happening in Greece." He continued: "They're going through a financial crisis that is scaring the world, and they're trying to take responsible actions, but those actions haven't been quite as quick as they need to be."
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.
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The mass-circulation Bild writes:

"Obama's lecture on the euro crisis … is overbearing, arrogant and absurd. … In a nutshell, he is claiming that Europe is to blame for the current financial crisis, which is 'scaring the world.' Excuse me?"

"The American president seems to have forgotten a few details. The most important trigger of the financial and economic crisis was US banks and their insane real-estate dealings. The US is still piling up debt … The American congress is crippled by a battle between the right and the left. The banks are gambling just as recklessly as they did before the crisis. The president's scolding is a pathetic attempt to distract attention from his own failures. How embarrassing.
"


http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,788807,00.html
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cicerone imposter
 
  0  
Sun 2 Oct, 2011 09:30 am
@mysteryman,
Without understanding what past influences affects future influences, time periods are secondary. A Great Recession will affect subsequent periods much longer, and quarterly reports are unreliable, because all economic activity is dynamic.
okie
 
  1  
Sun 2 Oct, 2011 10:03 pm
@cicerone imposter,
imposter, who are you going to support in the next election cycle? I am guessing you you have to be burnt out on Obama by now?
cicerone imposter
 
  0  
Sun 2 Oct, 2011 11:52 pm
@okie,
Congratulation; you f inally remember something correctly.
okie
 
  1  
Tue 4 Oct, 2011 08:08 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Congratulation; you f inally remember something correctly.
If you go REPUBLICAN, WHERE DO you currently lean? HOW DO YOU feel about HERMAN Cain?
cicerone imposter
 
  0  
Tue 4 Oct, 2011 09:45 pm
@okie,
The only skill Cain has ishis. Ability to talk. His self-engrandisement of his skills in government only reveals his own ignorance at the federal level.
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mysteryman
 
  1  
Wed 5 Oct, 2011 05:36 pm
This is interesting, I thought Obama actively opposed this when he was candidate Obama.
Why is this being brought up again?

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c112:H.R.3071:#

Apparently some dems in congress want Obama (and all other Presidents) to be able to hide their official records.
okie
 
  1  
Wed 5 Oct, 2011 09:53 pm
@mysteryman,
So much for an open and honest presidency as was promised ! Instead we have a president afraid to tell us who he is or what he actually believes.
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parados
 
  1  
Thu 6 Oct, 2011 07:23 am
@mysteryman,
Did you bother to read the proposed law MM?

It is not a way to hide records. It is a way to release them.
Unless a former President claims privilege and the sitting President agrees the records are released under this new proposal.

Under current law, a former President can just declare that they shouldn't be released. There is no check on his claims of privilege.
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H2O MAN
 
  -1  
Thu 6 Oct, 2011 08:16 am
Obama: one term - that's all
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H2O MAN
 
  -1  
Thu 6 Oct, 2011 08:19 am



Herman Cain can beat Obama by greater numbers than any other republican candidate.
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MontereyJack
 
  4  
Thu 6 Oct, 2011 08:48 am
H2O's gone delusional.
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