Obama '08?

Oh, finn, please search to your heart's content. Please! .

BTW, you're an asshole. Please put this post in your archives.

Well, now we have evidence of you calling someone an "asshole," but I fully expect it will be useless when next you deny you ever called anyone an "ass-hole."

Still laughing.

okie

Because of my comments on this thread, CI, in another thread seems to be threatening me with the dread Ignore.

It will be tough, but I think I can make it through such a black-balling.

Of course I won't miss out on any of CI's opinions unless Cyclo and Parados also Ignore me, but it still hurts that he, apparently, doesn't like me.

Never worry, though, that he will ever Ignore you, because as much of a "bore" and "liar" he considers you, he thinks he can better you on these threads.

Of course he can't, but he thinks he can, because unlike me you are too polite to go for the throat of a "stupid-idiot" like him.

Plus he has all of his other A2K droogs who find it great droogish sport to sneer at and gang up on okie.

Keep on keeping on okie. From time to time we disagree but usually we share the same point, and I admire your restraint. With all of the crap The Trimurti and others give you, you rarely, if ever, rise to the bait.

Hey, don't drag me into this...

I think if you were to ask Okie, he would say that he and I have a fine, if sometimes contentious, online relationship. I certainly feel that way.

Cycloptichorn

I will, and if so I will apologize to you.

okie?

I don't think cyclops is too far from accurate. I will add to that by saying I consider cyclops one of the more honest radicals or exteme leftists on this forum. He has in fact admitted that he harbors some affection for Marxism, along with free market capitalism. That admission is more than you can get out of most leftists here, so I do appreciate that much honesty here. Beyond that, cyclops and I rarely agree on much of anything. As I write this, I wonder again if he understands that a mixture of Marxism and capitalism has been tried in history, and that it is known as Fascism?

One of the fascinating things I have learned on this forum is the fact that Leftists do not like to be reminded of the atrocities heaped upon mankind by left leaning political philosophies, so as a result, you will see leftists here argue vociferously that Hitler and other Fascists were right wing fanatics, despite the fact that many of their policies were more left than right.Also, liberals commonly hesitate to admit being on the left, often claiming to be moderates or independents. Moral judgement scares them tremendously, and so they love it when a conservative politician is found with some personal flaw or scandal. In the meantime, they will excuse or defend to the hilt any liberal politician. Clinton educated us about public morality versus private morality. Public morality is taxing the bejeebers out of people that earned something, so that it can be given to the poor to buy more votes in the next election. Public morality trumps private morality in the liberal world.

Another factor in all of this is the dominance of liberal or leftist thinking on college campuses, which finds its way into the interpretation of history and thinking of college students and graduates.

Well, I understand that this isn't true - fascism is a political system, not an economic one.

But I do think you're a nice guy.

Cycloptichorn

Of course I'm a nice guy! At least my mother thinks so. I think my wife and family also think so. At least my wife and I get along well enough to be married almost 40 years.
I think political systems and economic systems are closely related. An example would be communist political systems, in which free market capitalism does not exist in its free form. In vontrast, I believe cpitalism thrives here in our democratic republic where we honor personal property rights, at least we are supposed to, as well as have other individual freedoms. Under Fascism, some capitalism is allowed but it is directed by and for the State, not the individual. The State reigns supreme, ostensibly for the good of the whole or what is known as "common good." Under communism, it is further left than Fascism, because the State essentially owns everything, again ostensibly for the common good.The point is, cyclops, is that you cannot separate economic and political systems in actual practice.

Supposed, okie, that you use the term 'Marxism' for anything which you consider to be left of your own opinion .... this "mixture" is actually called "social market economy". And that's an 'invention' of the German conservatives after WWII. (Mainly, because Germany is according to our constitution a "democratic and social state".)

For the definition of "Fascism" I would rely on definitions which are generally used and not those, you produce.

There are indeed some left Fascist, but that is a very rare phenomena in history.
Hitler, however, ...

Walter, okie has never used those words correctly, and he probably never will.
It's so easy to check any dictionary for their definition, but okie has his own interpretation which he sticks to with abandon.

It makes me wonder how confused an existence he must live.

Anything which isn't identical with your opinion must be left and/or liberal. Correct, okie?

He's very confused about left and right. He believes he belongs in the "right" group, but has no idea what they represent.

I think it to be really okay when someone believes to be in the right group and defends his ideas.

But when your ideas totally ignore facts, when you use your very own definitions instead of those which are generally agreed on (not only by specialists like historians but generally) ...


The fun factor of this discussion with okie is fainting.

That's okie; he has no concept about facts and evidence - about current events or history. He uses the word fascist to label liberals, but that's the direct opposite of what he intends to say. He's probably the most confused person I have ever run across in all my life.

From the freedictionary.

Obama is a supreme douche bag.

And he's the president and you're not, so you've got six more years to suffer, and we're going to enjoy every minute of your suffering.

The delightful irony, as demonstrated by Boehner's bill fiasco last week, is that by fracturing the Republican party, H2O man and the other teabaggers will essentially be voting for Obama in the 2012 election.

That's right, H2O man supports Obama!

Maybe.. just maybe...
H20 Man will be voting for Michelle Bachmann, who will be running as an independent candidate under the Tea Party label. She'll be running on a platform to never let the government borrow money.


Of course, voting for a third party candidate would be the same thing as a vote for Obama.

Never let government borrow money, and cut more government spending.

What will be left is a skeleton, but she'll continue to support wars and our military.