Obama '08?

@cicerone imposter,

Waking up from an American Dream is likely to fray a few tempers I should have thought.

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http://therealrevo.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/change.jpg

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From USA Today.

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WASHINGTON — Americans aren't pleased by what they see going on with the debt-ceiling negotiations in the capital.

Half of those surveyed in a USA TODAY/Gallup Poll say President Obama and the current Congress are doing a worse job than their predecessors in dealing with the nation's problems, and four in 10 call the situation the worst they've seen in their lifetimes. At least two-thirds accuse congressional Republicans and Democrats of putting their own political interests ahead of the country's best interests.

I agree; both sides are being stubborn.

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@cicerone imposter,

I have a CBS poll over on the "Tick. Tick..." thread re the handling of the debt/deficit issue.

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@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

And the Republicans are doing everything they can to ensure they are perceived as the pile of boulders in the middle of the highway,

If the highway was built by Democrats and headed for a cliff, most Americans would love an even larger pile of boulders. Repubs need to hold their gound against Democrat insanity.

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@okie,

I posted something on the "Tick, Tick..." thread about a proposal made today by one of your senators, Okie. What do you make of it?

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@okie,

You mean like the $4 trillion increase in the debt ceiling under GW Bush with no peep from the GOP?

How about the two wars he started that costs billions every day, or the Great Recession in 2008 (FYI, that was towards the end of GW Bush's tenure as president) when the unemployment was on the increase; many middle class families lost jobs and homes. Too bad you weren't one of them.

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@realjohnboy,

You didn't ask me, but my response was fairly positive as long as the whole thing were adopted. I would not be so supportive if we come up with, say, higher taxes now and reduced spending sometime off in the future.

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@realjohnboy,

realjohnboy wrote:

I posted something on the "Tick, Tick..." thread about a proposal made today by one of your senators, Okie. What do you make of it?

To be honest, I don't know, because I have not followed all the wrangling. The main reason I have not followed it is because I do not trust the Democrats and think all they have are smoke and mirrors. In my adult lifetime, I have never known any Democrats to actually want to reduce spending, and it usually ends up with Republicans caving to Democrat demands and their demagoguery of cutting spending and not taxing the so called "rich, etc.", and the Democrats are usually supported by a liberal press. I have essentially given up on responsible government in Washington, unless by some miracle that conservatives could gain enough power there to actually influence policy enough to save the day. One of our biggest problems is there are too many people that will vote for any joker that promises them more stuff from government, even though it is not for the good of the country or perhaps not even constitutional.

After reading some of the other posts, I probably agree with what roger answered to your question.

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@okie,

Gee, and there's nothing wrong with how GW Bush increased spending and our deficit - including two wars that lasted longer than WWII. Gee, is that okay, okie? Or does he get a pass, because he's a "conservative?" Your trust is all screwed up, okie. You don't understand the meaning.

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@cicerone imposter,

Your sense of scale is a bit out of whack, imposter. Obama's spending and deficits dwarf anything Bush even dreamed of doing. I would also remind you that Congress approved of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, and they are wars Obama are still waging, despite his promises. Besides that, he got us involved in Libya.

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@okie,

Most of Obama's spending was a) to give tax cuts, b) help the unemployed with extended benefits, c) pay for the two wars GW Bush started, and d) saved the car companies - that saved tens of thousands of jobs - and they have increased the tax revenue which is also sorely needed.

okie, Your knowledge base about economics doesn't exist. You only make more of a fool of yourself by making claims that you can't support with evidence. Look up how the $800 billion stim bill was spent. You might learn something - although I give you no hope.

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@cicerone imposter,

C. I., dont forget the unfunded drug bill he passed which has helped put medicare in the hole.

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@RABEL222,

I didn't forget it; I just didn't include it this time, because I wrote about that not long ago.

okie also doesn't know that GW Bush's NCLB was a unfunded mandate that bankrupted many schools. Bush also increased the debt ceiling by $4 trillion - all wasted, because a) he didn't create jobs, but lost jobs, b) his Iraq war was started on fraud (no WMDs were ever found), c) and he ran Clinton's surplus into a large deficit.

okie doesn't understand words like "scale."

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

I because a) he didn't create jobs, but lost jobs,...

I believe you are dead wrong on that point.

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@georgeob1,

I don't believe so. When any president doesn't keep up with demand, they've lost jobs. It's been determined by economists that it requires more than current demand to increase jobs. GW Bush's average was 31,250/month; 2008 demand was about 150,000/month to break even.

From the WSJ.
http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2009/01/09/bush-on-jobs-the-worst-track-record-on-record/

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Real Time Economics
Economic insight and analysis from The Wall Street Journal.

January 9, 2009, 12:04 PM ET

Bush On Jobs: The Worst Track Record On Record

Even Jimmy Carter did better than GW Bush.

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President Jobs created Jobs at end of term Jobs at start of term Payroll expansion Jobs created per year in office Population growth Percent change in population
George W. Bush 3.0 million 135.5 million 132.5 million 2.3% 375,000 22.0 million 7.7%
Bill Clinton 23.1 million 132.5 million 109.4 million 21.1% 2,900,000 25.2 million 8.9%
George H.W. Bush 2.5 million 109.4 million 106.9 million 2.3% 625,000 12.5 million 4.8%
Ronald Reagan 16.0 million 106.9 million 90.9 million 17.6% 2,000,000 17.3 million 7%
Jimmy Carter 10.5 million 90.9 million 80.4 million 13.1% 2,600,000 9.8 million 4.3

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

When any president doesn't keep up with demand, they've lost jobs.

Then, Obama's losing jobs hand over fist, isn't he?

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@RABEL222,

I really would like to hear more about this, you know.

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http://www.heritage.org/budgetchartbook/debt-and-deficits
"In the past, wars and the Great Depression contributed to rapid but temporary increases in the national debt. Over the next few decades, runaway spending on Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid will drive the debt to unsustainable levels. View Chart"
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http://www.heritage.org/budgetchartbook/Images/static/debt-deficits-category.png

It is helpful to visualize where Obama and his Democratic Congress fall on the above chart.

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@okie,

If someone can look so precisely in the future ...

.. as to tell that the national debt will be 344% (sic!) in 2050, well, those people should use their talents on other aspects as well.

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