snood
 
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Fri 1 Jun, 2007 11:03 pm
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
snood wrote:
I know, right? I mean, it sounds really corny, but I just really like the guy.


No ****?

He's black (sort of); you're black (or so your avatar would have us believe) and you like the guy.

Hey, I like the guy too.

I won't ever vote for him for president, but maybe that's because I can't relate to his white Kansanian side.

I'm sympathetic to your oft presented argument that it would be great for African-Americans if an African-American were elected president, but is this the guy?

He is as much white as he is black.

That's cool to me, but it's hard to see how it specifically inspires blacks.

Maybe it's his Baptist rhetorical cadence.

We know you wet your pants for the guy Snood, now tell us why he should be the leader of the US and the Free World.


This thread is over 400 pages long, and throughout the first 50 or so, posts of mine with substantive reasons I'd vote for him can be found. But the truth is, if you want to believe and say that I just like him becasue he's black and talks good, that's perfectly fine. About Obama and the presidency, there is no one whose opinion I value less than yours.
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nimh
 
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Sat 2 Jun, 2007 07:11 am
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
We know you wet your pants for the guy Snood, now tell us why he should be the leader of the US and the Free World.

Do you actually read anything in this thread, Finn, or do you just occasionally pop in to repeat your canard that the only reason people like Obama is that he talks well and seems nice?

There are pages upon pages of discussion on the exact strengths and flaws of his specific politics, proposals, strategies, etc here, you know. Feel free to skip them, but please dont pretend they're not there in the first place.
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sozobe
 
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Sat 2 Jun, 2007 07:15 am
What nimh said.

(And my support for Obama is dismissable because... I know, I used to live in Chicago! I'll automatically support any Chicagoan, that's it.)
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nimh
 
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Sat 2 Jun, 2007 07:22 am
No, I know - its because you're a woman, and he's handsome and charismatic... :wink:

And my support for Edwards comes from .. hhmm .. oh I'm an Old European of course, who doesnt understand about American politics and just knee jerks in favour of anyone who hates the rich most!
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Thomas
 
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Sat 2 Jun, 2007 10:06 am
... not to mention that Obama used to live in Indonesia, a former Dutch colony. Coincidence or mysterious, evil plot? I've reported, you decide.
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ossobuco
 
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Sat 2 Jun, 2007 01:16 pm
How FOXy...
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Thomas
 
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Sat 2 Jun, 2007 01:26 pm
I have to be. I'm preparing for a future as an American TV evangelist. In fact, I just recently traveled to North Carolina so Bipolar Bear could teach me the correct pronunciation of "Jeiizuss".
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nimh
 
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Sat 2 Jun, 2007 01:57 pm
Ha!

And on an (even) lighter, reggeaton note...

"Como se dice? Como se llama? Obama Obama!"

Sing along it'll make you feel cheerful Smile

http://www.amigosdeobama.com/index.htm
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Sat 2 Jun, 2007 02:27 pm
Tu voto tiene swing! Laughing
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Zippo
 
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Sat 2 Jun, 2007 03:53 pm
Good news folks : Obama woos Jewish voters

Democratic candidate perceived as genuine friend of Israel, say Jewish leaders
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Butrflynet
 
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Sun 3 Jun, 2007 09:54 pm
Transcript of tonight's New Hampshire debate:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/03/us/politics/03demsdebate_transcript.html?pagewanted=print
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Thomas
 
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Mon 4 Jun, 2007 01:20 am
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Mon 4 Jun, 2007 02:34 am
I don't much care for denying Insurers the ability to charge more for poorer medical histories. How does that make any sense? A person who eats sensibly, exercises and takes better care of themselves deserves to pay for supersize smoking alcoholics? I don't think so.
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Thomas
 
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Mon 4 Jun, 2007 03:03 am
OCCOM BILL wrote:
I don't much care for denying Insurers the ability to charge more for poorer medical histories. How does that make any sense? A person who eats sensibly, exercises and takes better care of themselves deserves to pay for supersize smoking alcoholics? I don't think so.

If you were running for president, Bill, how would you handle Bipolar Bear's epilleptic son? He has a Grand Mal seizure about once a week, and it's only for a kilobuck a month of medicine that he doesn't get them once an hour and hasn't died from one yet. This is a birth defect. BiPolarCub did nothing to bring this onto himself.

You seem to be against obliging insurance companies to insure him at an affordable rate. So tell me, do you think the social safety net should support people like him, whether or not they can pay for it? And if yes, how would a president Occom Bill finance this category of cases?
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Mon 4 Jun, 2007 04:49 am
Thomas wrote:
OCCOM BILL wrote:
I don't much care for denying Insurers the ability to charge more for poorer medical histories. How does that make any sense? A person who eats sensibly, exercises and takes better care of themselves deserves to pay for supersize smoking alcoholics? I don't think so.

If you were running for president, Bill, how would you handle Bipolar Bear's epilleptic son? He has a Grand Mal seizure about once a week, and it's only for a kilobuck a month of medicine that he doesn't get them once an hour and hasn't died from one yet. This is a birth defect. BiPolarCub did nothing to bring this onto himself.

You seem to be against obliging insurance companies to insure him at an affordable rate. So tell me, do you think the social safety net should support people like him, whether or not they can pay for it? And if yes, how would a president Occom Bill finance this category of cases?
The impression I got from Obama's plan is that it would force Private Insurers to ignore histories. Why is that necessary if there is to be a federally guaranteed alternative? Of course the boy should be covered; but I don't see where it's necessary to cover him at the expense of punishing the poor guy next door who takes exceptionally good care of himself; thereby reducing the chances of his own health care being much of an issue.

Pay for it? I favor an increase in Death Taxes in general; simply because I'd rather pay a bigger chunk of my own obligation after I die. This is both progressive, and rewards the healthy lifestyle; since the longer you live; the longer before you pay. Secondly; Alcohol and Tobacco are always ripe for a tax increase, and I can ill imagine a fairer source to get the dough to pay for healthcare... since the more of these products one consumes; the more likely he is to be an expensive health risk. Frankly; I think it would be a good idea to add Sugar to the list; as I believe it to be a leading cause of crappy health. Lastly; it seems to me that even an increase in the percentage SS taken out of Income would at least be somewhat progressive in reducing the burden on the poor. Straight increases on healthcare insurance across the board make the least sense to me of all.

I don't like the idea of giving people a free pass to destroy their health with wanton disregard for the cost, nor do I think it's fair that more conscientious people should pick up the tab for their (my)excesses. If we're aiming for a personal mandate, with government guarantees, than I think it is only fair to attempt to tax the sources of health destroyers both to discourage unhealthy behavior and maintain some level of personal accountability.
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xingu
 
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Mon 4 Jun, 2007 04:51 am
And I suppose anyone who gets cancer should have themselves to blame.

How about that lawyer who got TB? Was it his fault he caught it from someone else?

Private health insurance companies care about profit. Human life comes second. That's why we need a universal health insurance run by the government. The government agency will cover all those who are rejected, dropped or are unable to get coverage by private health insurance companies.

Every American should have health insurance, whether private or government.

What do you do to those who can't get coverage; tell them to go off to a corner somewhere and die? Tell them they are too much of a burden on our society by living? That if you get sick it's your fault? And if it's your fault you don't deserve coverage?
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Mon 4 Jun, 2007 05:01 am
What are you babbling about Xingu? I have no objection to a government guaranteed alternative. And no, I don't consider all illnesses, to be the fault of the ill, nor would I have them denied healthcare. I do not wish to punish the sick; I wish to not punish the intentionally healthy. He who smokes 3 packs of cigarettes a day, eats nothing but crap and washes it down with a case of beer should pay more for healthcare than the conscientious health-nut next door. I find it ridiculous that anyone thinks this is unfair.
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xingu
 
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Mon 4 Jun, 2007 05:28 am
Bill wrote:
He who smokes 3 packs of cigarettes a day, eats nothing but crap and washes it down with a case of beer should pay more for healthcare than the conscientious health-nut next door. I find it ridiculous that anyone thinks this is unfair.


Good, so now we're going to have a new industry, people who monitor other people who have unhealthy life styles. If I catch you eating a bag of potato chips I'll report you. Did I see you eating M&M's. Better call the government. Or maybe we should put a special tax on "unhealthy" food.

Just how do you propose to monitor everyones lifestyle so as to determine who pays what?
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squinney
 
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Mon 4 Jun, 2007 05:34 am
Somewhere back in the '80's, if I remember correctly from my own experience, insurance companies started rating for healthiness. One of the first policies I had to buy for myself rated me for having had a bladder infection several years before. What woman hasn't had a bladder infection?

While we do need to make sure that everyone has access to affordable health care, it also makes me wonder who will go into the medical field if their payoff is not substantial enough to pay for medical school, the hours required, continue to provide them with the status associated with being a doctor and pay for their malpractice insurance?

Even the government run health insurance would have to be substantial enough to maintain the quality of health care we currently enjoy and also allow for inovation.

I dunno. I just remember talking to Cav and how he wasn't so pleased with his Canadian health care. Maybe that was just a rare case, or maybe he brought it on himself?

If we can have a system that accounts for affordability and quality, which I think Obama and Edwards come closest to achieving, then I'd be okay with universal care.
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squinney
 
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Mon 4 Jun, 2007 05:38 am
xingu wrote:
Just how do you propose to monitor everyones lifestyle so as to determine who pays what?


Um, actually, you know those little plastic things on your keychain that the cashier swipes? The ones that claim you are a very important customer? Those track what you buy and even cause the reciept machine to spit out coupons specific to your buying habits.
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