Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Mon 4 Jun, 2007 05:41 am
just for the record... I take good care of myself and I don't begrudge anyone 1st. rate health care.... of course I have a son with a chronic health problem who has been declared dead and resuscitated and who I've seen through many injuries, stitiches and will continue to care for the rest of my life...

Not like I'm asking for the martyr scepter, I'm just saying perspective makes opinions vary.....
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xingu
 
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Mon 4 Jun, 2007 05:42 am
How's this for a solution?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fat_tax

The problem is what to tax. Dark chocolate is considered a healthy food but chocolate is also associated with obesity.
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xingu
 
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Mon 4 Jun, 2007 05:44 am
squinney wrote:
xingu wrote:
Just how do you propose to monitor everyones lifestyle so as to determine who pays what?


Um, actually, you know those little plastic things on your keychain that the cashier swipes? The ones that claim you are a very important customer? Those track what you buy and even cause the reciept machine to spit out coupons specific to your buying habits.


Right wingers would love that; Big Brother monitoring what you eat.
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squinney
 
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Mon 4 Jun, 2007 05:46 am
My vision loss is from a fungus known to be around the Missouri / Mississippi river and carried by birds and bats.

We'd have to tax people that choose to live by the rivers, too.
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xingu
 
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Mon 4 Jun, 2007 05:54 am
Here's another problem I have with our current health insurance policies. I was watching news, I don't recall which station, and there was a special report on health insurance. They were interviewing a couple in which the wife was diagnosed with cancer. When the health insurance company found out they dropped her and now she was without insurance.

I guess it like a car insurance company dropping you after you've had an accident. They consider you a risk that will cut into their profits.

I didn't know health insurance companies could legally drop you if you become so ill that it will cost them a lot of money. I know, by my standards, it's unethical but profits are more important than ethics.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Mon 4 Jun, 2007 05:56 am
The Bears have been f**ked several times by several health companies. They belong on the ninth level of hell along with other war criminals.....
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xingu
 
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Mon 4 Jun, 2007 06:00 am
squinney wrote:
My vision loss is from a fungus known to be around the Missouri / Mississippi river and carried by birds and bats.

We'd have to tax people that choose to live by the rivers, too.


Can't be to careful Squinney. After all private health insurance companies have to look out for their shareholders.

We have to look at priorities here; money or helping the sick.

BTY I have never heard of vision loss from river fungus. Was it a temporary loss?
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xingu
 
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Mon 4 Jun, 2007 07:17 am
Quote:
U.S. health care is bad for your health
César Chelala

Sunday, June 3, 2007

One of the most contentious issues of the U.S. presidential campaign will be how to fix what many agree is a malfunctional health-care system. Adding fuel to the fire is a study published last month detailing the shortcomings of U.S. health care when compared to the systems of other developed countries, including Canada, the United Kingdom and New Zealand.

The study, entitled "Mirror, Mirror on the Wall: An International Update on the Comparative Performance of American Health Care," released by the Commonwealth Fund in New York, finds that not only is the U.S. health care system the most expensive in the world (double that of the next most costly comparator country, Canada) but comes in dead last in almost any measure of performance.

Although U.S. political leaders are fond of stating that we have the best health-care system in the world, they fail to acknowledge an important caveat: It is the best only for the very rich. For the rest of the population, its deficits far outweigh its advantages.

For the Republican presidential candidates, health care hasn't become a major issue -- yet. The three leading Democratic candidates, however, are outspoken critics of the health-care system and argue for the need to increase coverage to most, if not all, Americans.

This new study not only confirms the findings of previous Commonwealth Fund studies, but also a previous analysis by the World Health Organization in 2000 that found the overall performance of the U.S. health-care system ranked 37th among the countries included in the analysis.

The Commonwealth study compared the United States with Australia, Canada, Germany, New Zealand and the United Kingdom. Although the most notable way in which the United States differs from the other countries is in the absence of universal coverage, the United States is also last on dimensions of access, patient safety, efficiency and equity.

The other five countries considered spend considerably less on health care, both per capita and as a percent of gross domestic product, than the United States. The United States spends $7,000 per person per year on health care, almost double that of Australia, Canada and Germany, each of which achieve better results on health status indicators than the United States. This suggests that the U.S. health-care system can and must do much more with its substantial investment in health.

The United States also lags behind all industrialized nations in terms of health coverage. The most recent data available from the U.S. Census Bureau indicate that 46.6 million Americans (about 15.9 percent of the population) had no health insurance coverage during 2005, an increase of 1.3 million over the previous year. It is no wonder, then, that medical bills are overwhelmingly the most common reason for personal bankruptcy in the United States.

According to the Children's Health Fund, 9 million children are completely uninsured in the United States, while another 23.7 million - nearly 30 percent of the nation's children -- lack regular access to health care.

Compared to the other countries studied, the United States lags behind in the adoption of information technology and other national policies that promote quality improvement. Up-to-date information systems in countries such as New Zealand, Germany and the United Kingdom enhance physicians' ability to monitor chronic conditions and medication use, including medications prescribed by other physicians. In other countries, experienced nurses are working to monitor chronic conditions, thus easing the physicians' burden.

The United States also ranks last among the countries studied, both in terms of efficiency and equity. The United States has poor performance on national health expenditures and administrative costs. In terms of equity, Americans with below-average income were more reluctant to visit a physician when sick, and more often did not get a recommended test, fill a prescription or undergo a needed treatment or seek a proper follow-up on a condition.

Only a thorough reform can solve the U.S. health care system's deep structural problems. It is imperative that everyone is adequately insured and has the possibility to afford good care. At the same time, the United States must make sure to incorporate the advantages of modern health information technology and to ensure an integrated medical record and information system.

Lessons from other countries' experiences could be applied and adapted to the U.S. situation. In a recent article in the Journal of the American Medical Association, Dr. Ezekiel J. Emanuel, from the Department of Clinical Bioethics at the National Institutes of Health stated, "The U.S. health-care system is considered a dysfunctional mess." Given the seriousness of the situation, this is an understatement.

César Chelala, M.D., Ph.D., is an international public health consultant for several U.N. and other international agencies.

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/06/03/EDGHQP1J6K1.DTL
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squinney
 
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Mon 4 Jun, 2007 08:49 am
xingu wrote:
squinney wrote:
My vision loss is from a fungus known to be around the Missouri / Mississippi river and carried by birds and bats.

We'd have to tax people that choose to live by the rivers, too.


Can't be to careful Squinney. After all private health insurance companies have to look out for their shareholders.

We have to look at priorities here; money or helping the sick.

BTY I have never heard of vision loss from river fungus. Was it a temporary loss?


No. It's histoplasmosis. There's medicine now, as I understand it, that will shut it down without having to laser, but this was 11 years ago so part of my vision is gone for good.

If we're gonna tax unhealthy things where to Reeses fall on the scale? And, what about bacon? Could we tax that only if you plan to eat the whole pound by yourself?

From xingu's article:
Quote:
The United States has poor performance on national health expenditures and administrative costs.


I wonder if this is related to the corporate takeovers of hospitals over the past decade.
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xingu
 
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Mon 4 Jun, 2007 09:06 am
Sorry to hear about your eye.

Don't know about hospitals but I can give an example about health insurance from an experience my daughter in currently facing.

Her son has allergies. Her health insurance will not cover allergies so she is going to try to get around it by going to a pulmonologist. We're waiting to see if it works.

It's pretty sad to see those who brag about how great our health care is and we can't even treat our children. What good is quality health care if people don't have access to it.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/05/02/eveningnews/main2755159.shtml

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0922107.html
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McGentrix
 
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Mon 4 Jun, 2007 09:09 am
Her insurance doesn't cover it. She access to it, but doesn't want to pay for it.

Get better insurance or fork over the bucks that doctors charge due to frivolous law suits.
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xingu
 
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Mon 4 Jun, 2007 09:16 am
McGentrix wrote:
Her insurance doesn't cover it. She access to it, but doesn't want to pay for it.

Get better insurance or fork over the bucks that doctors charge due to frivolous law suits.


Her insurance is provided by her employer. She pays part of the premiums to get better coverage. She can't afford to pay for the allergist on her own and if allergy shots or medication is needed on a regular basis it will be an expense she can't handle.

Of course if she were rich it would be no problem. The rich never complain about health care. They get all they want.

So what about the people at the lower end of the income scale? Just say to hell with them?
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Thomas
 
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Mon 4 Jun, 2007 09:33 am
McGentrix wrote:
Her insurance doesn't cover it. She access to it, but doesn't want to pay for it.

Get better insurance or fork over the bucks that doctors charge due to frivolous law suits.

In that case, I suspect you won't end up voting for Obama -- Or Edwards, or Richardson, or any Democrat for that matter. Indeed, looking into my crystal ball again, I foresee that' you're going to vote for ... a Republican! (Not saying which.)
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xingu
 
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Mon 4 Jun, 2007 09:38 am
Quote:
frivolous law suits


To a conservative that explains everything.

No more discussion needed.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Mon 4 Jun, 2007 09:41 am
I've never seen any data that shows frivolous law suits account for any more than a tiny percentage of funds paid out by insurance companies. It is a right-wing myth that this is what drives up the cost of insurance.

Cycloptichorn
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McGentrix
 
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Mon 4 Jun, 2007 09:52 am
Cycloptichorn wrote:
I've never seen any data that shows frivolous law suits account for any more than a tiny percentage of funds paid out by insurance companies. It is a right-wing myth that this is what drives up the cost of insurance.

Cycloptichorn


http://www.triallawyersinc.com/healthcare/hc01.html
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Mon 4 Jun, 2007 10:00 am
Now there's a hack piece if I ever saw one. Many of the 'data' lead back to studies performed by 'Americans for Tax Reform,' and that's not exactly an impartial bunch. I also couldn't find any data showing how much the insurance companies actually paid out vs. the amount of malpractice cases paid out.

But it's better then the petty insults you've been dropping down lately, so I commend you for that.

Cycloptichorn
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cjhsa
 
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Mon 4 Jun, 2007 10:18 am
Problem: Our healthcare system is horked up by trial lawyers and insurance companies (just like the gun industry).

Solution: Elect a liberal minority from the nazi state of Illinois who will take away our guns and nationalize our healthcare.
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xingu
 
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Mon 4 Jun, 2007 10:27 am
Did Obama say he was going to take your guns away?

I haven't heard that one.
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cjhsa
 
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Mon 4 Jun, 2007 10:31 am
xingu wrote:
Did Obama say he was going to take your guns away?

I haven't heard that one.


It's implied by the "D-IL".
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