Obama '08?

So was Monica

So was Jeff Gannon.

You run in an interesting circle of jerks.

If the election were held today, Obama would lose and he would lose big time.

If he were running against F.D.R. or Clinton he might. He'll win handily in 2012.

You just wait. We might surprise everyone and come up with a candidate after all. How does roger for President sound?

I am frequently accused of posting "straw man fallicies" by you, but the fact is I haven't done so. I believe you are too taken up in your categorical and sweeping slanders of "righties" to make the real distinctions required in adult dialogue, and are perhaps a bit confused about what the term really means.

You are frequently given to unproven, indeed unprovable sweeping denunciations of conservatives of all types and variants, almost always including the impugning of both their motives and personal morality or integrity. Apart from a few pointed reference to the hypocrisy involved, and your habit of projecting your own bad behaviors on others, I haven't wasted much space here criticizing these repeated flaws of yours or even defending myself or others included in your sweeping criticisms.

However I suppose I should be grateful for your acknowledgement that on occasion I "have made some good points" - amidst all the straw men and other bad stuff.

I believe that individuals vary a good deal one to the other, even including the individuals in identifiable groups like Republicans, Democrats, blacks, whites, hispanics, LGTBs and the other categories our contemporary cult of political correctitude forces on us. I also believe that those given to frequent sweeping characterizations of the members of such groups are themselves demonstrating their own intolerance, limited understanding of human life, and very likely ignorance of their own limitations.

It is quite alright that we disagree about political and economic events and desirable remedies. No one (that I know) is right about these things all the time, and all of us have unique experiences that shape our different points of view. We thus bring different biases to the interpretation of events of which even the key objective elements are only partly known or understood by any of us. That is hardly a sufficient basis for all the slander that is so freely hurled back and forth on these threads.

You mean Jeff Gannon, ace Republican White House reporter and homosexual escort? I imagine Karl Rove kept in touch with him.

That's the fella.

I like it. How are you fixed for campaign dough ?

I would have to first hear roger's priorities to fix what ails us today. :twisted :

Does that mean you're not sending money?

Not if the election were held today. He would get a well deserved whipping.

I already offered my .

That is true, particularly at the expense of others.

I am.

CLearly, that is your job.

I buy my toiletries at an independently owned health food store. I buy my groceries largely at an independently owned food store, at a buyer-owned cooperative, from a flour mill owned by the employees. I buy most of my books from an independent book seller.

What I do not understand is why you trust private business CUSTOMERS who are more apt to be liberals.

You're so green with envy it shows.

That's not envy so much as a massive, toxic, cyanobacteria bloom in the backwater that is h2oman's mind.