RABEL222
 
  2  
Sat 16 Apr, 2011 09:25 am
@plainoldme,
The problem isent the president. The problem is a congress whose only interest is in getting reelected to office starting on thier first elected day in office. None of them do what is best for the entire country but only for their narrow interest group. Vote for the man who best illustrates that they are for the common good? Ive tried that for 55 years and they always seem to change into the complete opposite of what they claimed to be. The republicans are always the same, for the rich from day one. I guess one could say in that at least they are honest if in nothing else.
H2O MAN
 
  -2  
Sat 16 Apr, 2011 09:41 am
@RABEL222,
RABEL222 wrote:

The problem isent the president. The problem is a congress whose only interest is in getting reelected to office starting on thier first elected day in office. None of them do what is best for the entire country but only for their narrow interest group.


Normally that would be 100% true, but this arrogant assclown president
in office currently is the biggest part of this problems we now face.
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cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Sat 16 Apr, 2011 10:20 am
@RABEL222,
They are not honest! They lie about social program issues to destroy them to give bigger tax breaks to the rich. If that's honest, I have a bridge in Montana I can sell you for the cheap.
JTT
 
  1  
Sat 16 Apr, 2011 02:28 pm
Quote:


UPDATE 1-Obama to Republicans: 'You think we're stupid?'

* Candid remarks were supposed to be private

* Obama says he challenged Republicans on healthcare

* Says Republicans will use same strategy on debt ceiling (Recasts lead, adds details)

By Steve Holland

CHICAGO, April 15 (Reuters) - President Barack Obama said he challenged Republicans to try to repeal his landmark healthcare reform in private budget talks last week, taunting his opponents with a question: "You think we're stupid?"

In one of three political fund-raisers for his re-election campaign on Thursday night, Obama spoke candidly to supporters about the closed-door White House conversations that led to a deal that barely avoided a shutdown of the U.S. government.

He said he warned Republicans he would veto any legislation passed by Congress that sought to defund his 2010 healthcare overhaul. Republicans, who took control of the U.S. House of Representatives later that year, had vowed to kill the law.

A two-thirds majority of Congress is required to override a presidential veto.

"If you think you can overturn my veto, try it,'" Obama said in describing an exchange with Republicans. He said he was told by a staffer for House Speaker John Boehner that Republicans wanted a concession on the healthcare issue in the budget talks.

Obama said he firmly rejected the attempts to repeal parts of the healthcare law, his signature domestic accomplishment, in the budget bill.

"And I said to them, let me tell you something: 'I spent a year and a half getting healthcare passed. I had to take that issue across the country and I paid significant political costs to get it done," he said.

"The notion that I'm going to let you guys undo that in a six-month spending bill?' I said, 'You want to repeal healthcare? Go at it. We'll have that debate. You're not going to be able to do that by nickel-and-diming me in the budget. You think we're stupid?'"

His remarks in Chicago came after the White House press pool had been escorted from the room. Unbeknownst to Obama, the comments were accidentally piped back to the White House and recorded by CBS News and ABC News.

White House spokesman Jay Carney said Obama was "not at all" embarrassed that the remarks were made public.

"OVERTURN MY VETO"

Obama predicted the same strategy from Republicans would reappear in negotiations over raising the U.S. debt limit.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/04/15/usa-budget-obama-idUSN1527591520110415

hawkeye10
 
  1  
Sat 16 Apr, 2011 02:37 pm
@JTT,
Obama does this very strange thing where he is often combative in a way that could never help his cause but then also he often gives away his position if you blow on him....there is too much ego gamesmanship with him and not enough concentrating on the success of the mission. He is NOT the guy you want to have with you in a fire fight...
cicerone imposter
 
  0  
Sat 16 Apr, 2011 02:41 pm
@hawkeye10,
I agree; he has a tendency at too much intellectualizing events. When he finally decides on a decision, it's usually the wrong one, because he thinks negotiation is everything. He'll give away the store, to buy candy.
roger
 
  0  
Sat 16 Apr, 2011 02:44 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

He'll give away the store, to buy candy.


Extremely well put.
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hawkeye10
 
  0  
Sat 16 Apr, 2011 02:48 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

I agree; he has a tendency at too much intellectualizing events.
I had not though of it that way because these guys were never push overs, but I do see a lot of McNamara and Rumsfeld in him, which is certainly not a good thing considering how much they cost America by way of poor decision making....His need the be the smartest guy in the room keeps him from being in touch with what he is talking about, and from knowing where the people are. The Brilliance of Clinton was that he could be both the smartest guy and instinctively know where the people were and where he should put his energy.....And I say that even though I came to not like him at all...
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H2O MAN
 
  -2  
Sat 16 Apr, 2011 02:52 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

Obama .... He is NOT the guy you want to have with you in a fire fight...


agreed.
hawkeye10
 
  0  
Sat 16 Apr, 2011 02:57 pm
@H2O MAN,
H2O MAN wrote:

hawkeye10 wrote:

Obama .... He is NOT the guy you want to have with you in a fire fight...


agreed.
A great many stanch liberals have come to the same conclusion, which might be a problem for Obama if someone comes up with the balls to challenge him in the primaries.
H2O MAN
 
  -2  
Sat 16 Apr, 2011 03:09 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

H2O MAN wrote:

hawkeye10 wrote:

Obama .... He is NOT the guy you want to have with you in a fire fight...


agreed.
A great many stanch liberals have come to the same conclusion, which might be a
problem for Obama if someone comes up with the balls to challenge him in the primaries.


I think a few big balled someones are going to emerge as we get closer to 2012 and the current herd is thinned out.

The election of 2012 is shaping up to be one of, if not THE most important presidential elections in American history.
hawkeye10
 
  -1  
Sat 16 Apr, 2011 03:15 pm
@H2O MAN,
Quote:
I think a few big balled someones are going to emerge as we get closer to 2012 and the current herd is thinned out.
IDK, someone could beat Obama in the vote primary, but I am not sure that anyone can compete with him in the money primary. There is a lot of Mubarak in Obama, the skill to know who to buy off and what their price is...I am not sure that the donors would consider a challenge. Through regulation changes and "stimulus" bills Obama has been doing a lot of buying..not to mention all the work he has done to stonewall financial system reforms
H2O MAN
 
  -3  
Sat 16 Apr, 2011 03:24 pm
@hawkeye10,

It is true that Barry has paid off so many with so much cash, but you have to HOPE some of these
entities and individuals will see the light and CHANGE before it's too late, too late to make the change.
hawkeye10
 
  0  
Sat 16 Apr, 2011 03:29 pm
@H2O MAN,
H2O MAN wrote:


It is true that Barry has paid off so many with so much cash, but you have to HOPE some of these
entities and individuals will see the light and CHANGE before it's too late, too late to make the change.
Obama certainly is talking like he thinks he has bought the right people who will carry him through....which is ironic because he is now in exactly the same position that Hillary was in this time last cycle, and look where she ended up...But Obama is clearly egotistical enough to think that he is different..Obama thinks he can flip a switch, turn on the charm, and then the magic will work. We shall see.
Quote:

The cost of winning an election has also risen this year, along with the global cost food and gas prices. President Obama’s team has rounded up a group of 450 Democratic donors and asked them each to raise $350,000 this year for the re-election campaign. If all goes according to plan, his campaign could take $157 million to the bank just for 2011 alone. That would double what that same group of people generated four years ago, Politics Daily reports.
http://atlantapost.com/2011/03/18/fundraising-begins-for-president-obamas-re-election/
RABEL222
 
  0  
Sat 16 Apr, 2011 03:44 pm
@cicerone imposter,
CI, I already bought your bridge once. If you want me to buy it from you your going to have to buy it back from me. And you know I wouldent vote for the current crop of repubs even if water boy told me how great they are compared to Obama. They arent honest but neither are most of the dems.
cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Sat 16 Apr, 2011 03:46 pm
@RABEL222,
I've sold so many bridges over the years, I forgot which one I sold to you. Do you remember the price you paid? Drunk Drunk Drunk Twisted Evil
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H2O MAN
 
  -3  
Sat 16 Apr, 2011 03:52 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

H2O MAN wrote:


It is true that Barry has paid off so many with so much cash, but you have to HOPE some of these
entities and individuals will see the light and CHANGE before it's too late, too late to make the change.
Obama certainly is talking like he thinks he has bought the right people who will carry him through....which is ironic because he is now in exactly the same position that Hillary was in this time last cycle, and look where she ended up...But Obama is clearly egotistical enough to think that he is different..Obama thinks he can flip a switch, turn on the charm, and then the magic will work. We shall see.
Quote:

The cost of winning an election has also risen this year, along with the global cost food and gas prices. President Obama’s team has rounded up a group of 450 Democratic donors and asked them each to raise $350,000 this year for the re-election campaign. If all goes according to plan, his campaign could take $157 million to the bank just for 2011 alone. That would double what that same group of people generated four years ago, Politics Daily reports.
http://atlantapost.com/2011/03/18/fundraising-begins-for-president-obamas-re-election/



He has a good chance of stealing this next election as long as the media continues to drink his Kool-Aid, but all bets are off if the media sobers up.
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ican711nm
 
  -1  
Sat 16 Apr, 2011 06:20 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cycloptichorn" wrote:
Gangster Obama is a pipsqueak compared to GW Bush who killed tens of thousands of innocent men, women, and children in Iraq for no good reason.

Do you know how much sacrifice in lives our military made, and the cost of that war? That's not socialism, but it's murder on the scale of a holocaust.

Neither GW Bush or the American military killed tens of thousands of innocent men, women, and children in Iraq for any reason whatsoever. That's because GW Bush or the American military did not kill tens of thousands of innocent men, women, and children in Iraq. Tens of thousands of innocent men, women, and children were killed in Iraq by fellow Iraqis.

You've repeatedly made this ignorant accusation and I have repeatedly provided you the evidence that shows you that it is an ignorant accusation.

Obama and his colleagues have stolen trillions of dollars from Americans, and I have repeatedly provided you the evidence to show you this is true.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Sat 16 Apr, 2011 06:31 pm
@ican711nm,
ican, Once an ignoramus, always an ignormus.

Here's a link to all the killings by US forces in Iraq. You're welcome to cut and paste the numbers at this link for all to see.
http://www.realnewspost.com/sa.php?a=39132&PHPSESSID=7h6vn72n5pnscpgp9j4rram2r1
RABEL222
 
  -1  
Sun 17 Apr, 2011 01:16 am
@cicerone imposter,
If I remember right i paid five bucks for that bridge. Ill sell it back to you for a cup of coffee. You shouldent call ican an ignoramus, he just cant assimilate information properly.
 

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