Obama '08?

@RABEL222,

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@RABEL222,

Okay, I owe you a cup of coffee, but I want that bridge delivered to California.

Very Happy

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

Once an ignoramus, always an ignormus

Cice, do not despair! You don't have to always be an ignoramus. You can learn, but only if you really want to learn.

First thing for you to learn is that this reference of yours is vacuous:
http://www.realnewspost.com/sa.php?a=39132&PHPSESSID=7h6vn72n5pnscpgp9j4rram2r1

Now start to reason from the following reference, and then go on from there!

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http://www.iraqbodycount.org/database/
Documented civilian deaths from violence
100,445 – 109,739

Full analysis of the WikiLeaks' Iraq War Logs
may add 15,000 civilian deaths.
...
This data is based on 24,506 database entries from the beginning of the war to 31 March 2011.
...

In your study, be sure to review all incidents and all individuals.
Come on now, Cice! You can do it! You can really do it, if you really want to.

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@ican711nm,

Perhaps you should apply some reason from that source ican..

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Eleven by bombs in Kerbala 27 Mar 2003-
28 Mar 2003
j006 Twenty-six by cluster bombs in Najaf 27 Mar 2003-
28 Mar 2003
j004 Seven by air strikes in Alwya area, Baghdad 27 Mar 2003-
28 Mar 2003
x028 Two by UK air raids in Mosul 27 Mar 2003
x054 Two by air strike in Rutbah 26 Mar 2003
x022 21 by US air strikes in Baghdad 26 Mar 2003
x020 Two by cruise missiles in Al-Shaab, Baghdad 26 Mar 2003
x037 Two by missiles in Ash Shatra 25 Mar 2003
x017 Two killed in Nassiriya 25 Mar 2003
x021 Five by air attack in northern Baghdad 24 Mar 2003
x012 Five by air attack in Al-Azamiyah, Baghdad 24 Mar 2003
x019 Ten by cluster bombs in Nassiriya 23 Mar 2003
x016 30 by US air attacks in Babel province 23 Mar 2003
x015 14 by US air strikes in Basra 23 Mar 2003
x014 Ten by air attack in Karbala 23 Mar 2003
x013 3-8 killed in Najaf, Ninawa, Qadisiya and Salah ad Din 23 Mar 2003
x011 Five by air attack in Al-Rutbah 23 Mar 2003
x029 12 by US forces in Nassiriya 22 Mar 2003-
30 Mar 2003
d3473 Two by suicide car bomb in Sayed Sadiq 22 Mar 2003
x018 Four by missile strike in Mosul 22 Mar 2003
x010 4-5 by airstrikes in Tikrit 22 Mar 2003
j002 57-100 by US missile strikes in Khormal 22 Mar 2003
j003 2-3 by US forces in Iman Anas, near Basra 22 Mar 2003
x008 50-77 by US bombardment in Basra 22 Mar 2003
x009 0-3 by US airstrikes in Baghdad

...
x085 child run over by US army supply truck, 30km north of Tallil 30 May 2003
x083 2 children at US checkpoint, Samarra 28 May 2003
x082 4 teenage wedding celebrants, Samarra 26 May 2003
x080 two killed by tankfire on town of Fallujah 21 May 2003
d4223 Man shot dead by US forces in Baghdad 19 May 2003
...
d4221 Man shot dead by US forces in Al-Dora, Baghdad 28 Jun 2003
x106 child run over by US army convoy, between Baghdad and Basra 28 Jun 2003
x104 25-30 metal scavengers in ammo dump, Haklamiyah 28 Jun 2003
x098 1-2 utility employees in US convoy, road to Baghdad airport 26 Jun 2003
x099 11-year-old boy shot dead by US forces in western Baghdad 26 Jun 2003
d3970 Electrical engineer shot dead in Baghdad 25 Jun 2003
d4222 Woman killed by US Humvee in Baghdad 24 Jun 2003

Since CI never claimed ALL deaths were the result of the US. Perhaps you should review the numbers ican.

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@parados,

ican will never understand the simple fact that a country's leader's violence against their own people doesn't give license to the US to kill more of their innocent, non-combatant, citizens.

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@cicerone imposter,

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Okay, I owe you a cup of coffee, but I want that bridge delivered to California.

owe owe owe, see now that's the kind of thinking that has got you liberals in such a bind. Pay for the coffee.

Next Rabel will want to charge to deliver the bridge he owes you or like the typical liberal, he'll renege on the deal and you'll have to sue him and the trucking company will sue you both for a bridge they're storing in their yard.

This way lies madness.

If only y'all had listened to Okie and Ican!

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@JTT,

Committing suicide might be preferable. Drunk

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@JTT,

Why would i listen to either one of them. That way lies madness!

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

... a country's leader's violence against their own people doesn't give license to the US to kill more of their innocent, non-combatant, citizens.

Cice, good! You now understand that of the more than 100 thousand civilians killed in Iraq in 2003 and after, less than 10% were killed by the US military.

Surely you also understand that Saddam's government, while in control up to 2003, killed far more than 100 thousand and would have killed far more than another 100 thousand if his government had remained in control in and after 2003. So as bad as the civilian killings by the US military were, the US military nonetheless actually saved and is saving 100s of thousands of Iraqi lives.

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@ican711nm,

ican711nm wrote:

cycloptichorn" wrote:
Gangster Obama is a pipsqueak compared to GW Bush who killed tens of thousands of innocent men, women, and children in Iraq for no good reason.

Do you know how much sacrifice in lives our military made, and the cost of that war? That's not socialism, but it's murder on the scale of a holocaust.

I did not write the thing you have attributed to me here. Please avoid errors like this in the future by double-checking before you post things.

Cycloptichorn

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@ican711nm,

CORRECTION!

cicerone imposter wrote:

Gangster Obama is a pipsqueak compared to GW Bush who killed tens of thousands of innocent men, women, and children in Iraq for no good reason.

Do you know how much sacrifice in lives our military made, and the cost of that war? That's not socialism, but it's murder on the scale of a holocaust.

Neither GW Bush or the American military killed tens of thousands of innocent men, women, and children in Iraq for any reason whatsoever. That's because GW Bush or the American military did not kill tens of thousands of innocent men, women, and children in Iraq. Tens of thousands of innocent men, women, and children were killed in Iraq by fellow Iraqis.

You've repeatedly made this ignorant accusation and I have repeatedly provided you the evidence that shows you that it is an ignorant accusation.

Obama and his colleagues have stolen trillions of dollars from Americans, and I have repeatedly provided you the evidence to show you this is true.

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@cicerone imposter,

CI I lost the bridge. Your not going to sue me are you?

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@ican711nm,

Every time you open your mouth you lie like a dog.

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@RABEL222,

Nah, you're forgiven, and I'll even buy you that cup of joe.

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The Obama's reported today that they earned $1.7M and paid taxes of $453K in 2010 (a rate of 26.6%).

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@realjohnboy,

Man that's low!

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@JTT,

I assume that is Federal taxes. It may not include state taxes. It certainly does not include payroll taxes.

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@realjohnboy,

Could you give a realistic guesstimate of what the final tax bill would be, RJB?

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@JTT,

Sorry, JTT, I can't. For most of us, SS has a cost of about 8% but fed employees have a different plan. I don't think Ms Obama has a job subject to SS taxes. They probably pay state taxes in IL. I don't know what the tax rate there is or what their income subject to tax is.
The so-called richest (i.e. highest income) of us here in the U.S. pay about 17% in Fed income taxes vs whatever I said the Obama's was (26%?). The discrepancy there is due to, I think, restrictions on public officials investing in the stock markets where gains are taxed at a lower rate.
Did you know that 45% of American households pay no Federal income taxes?

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I'm hearing that Obama and democrats want women and the elderly to die.

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