Cycloptichorn
 
  2  
Mon 28 Mar, 2011 12:13 pm
@Renaldo Dubois,
Renaldo Dubois wrote:

Good. Don't ask again. Hold your breath. Maybe that will work. I don't jump when lefties tell me to.


Apparently, you don't do that OR address major inconsistencies with your position.

I'm forced to conclude that you believe you have the right to insult, but others do not. I have a difficult time understanding how you can logically square this with your earlier criticisms of me. But I doubt such things really bother you at the end of the day.

Quote:
Anything else? You may now begin to insult and demean in clear conscience. We know you want to.


What do I gain by insulting you? There's no sport in it. You're the lowest class of political dilletante here on A2k: the Loudmouthed Opinion Holder. Angrily discussing the problems in America, never providing any real knowledge of any situation or any solution at all. I generally save my ammo for true challenges.

Quote:
You can also stop with the "holier than thou" crap. We all witnessed how your union workers insulted, demeaned, harrassed and intimidated good hard working everyday people. You and you leftist union thugs are not good Americans.


You're allowed to have whatever opinion you like, but without providing supporting argumentation, you just come off sounding like a fool. We get plenty of folks who come on here to do nothing more than repeat right-wing talking points, or whatever Drudge or Rush or Fox had to say today. It's exceedingly boring, and what more - it isn't convincing to anyone here.

At the end of the day, that last point is the most important thing, and why I don't bother doing any more than toying with guys like you - nobody cares about the **** you spout, nobody's mind is changed by it, and you will ever fail to step up to the plate when actually questioned on your claims. This, in my experience, leads to a poster who is quickly marginalized and ridiculed by others here - not one who is an opinion driver or trusted voice on anything.

Cycloptichorn
JTT
 
  2  
Mon 28 Mar, 2011 12:19 pm
@Renaldo Dubois,
Quote:
We are being dumbed down.


That becomes more and more apparent with each new Renaldo posting.
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H2O MAN
 
  -3  
Mon 28 Mar, 2011 12:25 pm
@Renaldo Dubois,
Renaldo Dubois wrote:

We are being dumbed down.


That and inbreeding becomes more and more apparent with each and every new posting by JTT and Cyclotroll.
JTT
 
  3  
Mon 28 Mar, 2011 12:42 pm
@H2O MAN,
Quote:
Renaldo Dubois wrote:

We are being dumbed down.


Impossible in your case, h2oman.
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JTT
 
  1  
Mon 28 Mar, 2011 12:50 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Quote:
The truth is that the American government has been incredibly successful at maintaining the integrity of our nation and the continuation of our year-to-year operations. More so than any other government in the world, in fact.


This is the kind of blinkered view that is so American. It is regularly spewed with little regard to facts. What do you mean by 'integrity', Cy?

"the quality of always behaving according to the moral principles that you believe in, so that people respect and trust you more..."

If it's this, then it's bullshit you're shoveling.



"the quality of behaving according to the rules and standards of morality"

then the pile is getting higher.

Maybe,

"the quality of being in a good condition, without any damage or mistakes"

nope, more frantic shoveling, much greater odor.

And "more so than any other government in the world", please; now you've brought out the real heavy equipment.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Mon 28 Mar, 2011 12:56 pm
@JTT,
The heap is very high and getting higher. When our government commits to using military arsenal on a sovereign country like Libya with all its attendant costs while our country's citizens are suffering from joblessness, cutting of social services, and drying up the well, it makes one wonder how far people will remain blind to the misdeeds of our government(s).

The shits been smelling for decades, but people have become accustomed to the stench. It's no wonder our country is going downhill at such a fast pace.
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realjohnboy
 
  1  
Mon 28 Mar, 2011 04:30 pm
Obama will be speaking in about an hour (7:30 pm ET) for a projected 30 minutes.
It seems to me that he will have to explain...
> No fly zones vs
> Attacking Libyan ground forces
> Nato vs UN authority for what is happening
> An exit strategy for foreign forces and
> A vision for what might happen if the rebels succeed.

See yall hear for thoughts as he talks.
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Renaldo Dubois
 
  -2  
Mon 28 Mar, 2011 04:33 pm
@H2O MAN,
They always do. Using "For The Children" isn't going to work anymore.
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Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Mon 28 Mar, 2011 04:35 pm
@JTT,
Quote:
This is the kind of blinkered view that is so American. It is regularly spewed with little regard to facts. What do you mean by 'integrity', Cy?


I mean that our nation has remained a contiguous one, with one form of government, successful and redundant. And our government has not only been around longer than any other standing government existing today, it has become the model for much of the rest of the world.

The rest of your indignant **** is boring, but you knew that before you wrote it, didn't you?

Cycloptichorn
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Renaldo Dubois
 
  -2  
Mon 28 Mar, 2011 04:36 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Yes, I have the right to insult but others do not. I'm special. I can have a double standard if I want one. I'm as good as you are. I'm as special as you are. We all watched the hate and the insults from the teachers and their thugs. We've read the memo from MediaMatters about sabotage and purposeful lies. Where do you and your slimy sleazy friends get off thinking we are going to let you have a double standard and we can't? You must have water on your brain in you think that. This is a culture war and we're taking our culture back. We're sick and tired of you pissants ******* things up and robbing us.

And as far as "toying" with me. The only think you toy with is your limp dipstick.
Cycloptichorn
 
  2  
Mon 28 Mar, 2011 04:44 pm
@Renaldo Dubois,
Renaldo Dubois wrote:

Yes, I have the right to insult but others do not. I'm special. I can have a double standard if I want one. I'm as good as you are.


Wait a minute - if you're 'as good as I am,' doesn't that mean that we both enjoy the same rights? And that you're not special?

Quote:
I'm as special as you are.


Oh, so we're both special. Gotcha. But if that's the case, why are you allowed to insult - but I'm not? I still don't follow your reasoning, and I use that word loosely.

Quote:
We all watched the hate and the insults from the teachers and their thugs.


What are you referring to? I didn't watch any such thing at all. Perhaps you could be more specific.

Quote:
We've read the memo from MediaMatters about sabotage and purposeful lies. Where do you and your slimy sleazy friends get off thinking we are going to let you have a double standard and we can't?


What double standard? I never claimed that you couldn't do anything at all; it was you who in one breath decried insults from the left, and stated 'you want to insult me,' and in the next turned around and threw a bunch of insults at me yourself. If anyone is proposing a double standard here, it is yourself, sir.

My position is that anyone can insult anyone they like on A2K. Yay freedom!

Quote:
You must have water on your brain in you think that.


But, I don't think that a double standard exists; you do. Does that mean that YOU must have water on the brain?

Quote:
This is a culture war and we're taking our culture back. We're sick and tired of you pissants ******* things up and robbing us.


If I keep stringing you along, will you keep resorting to more and more bluster? Smile Let's find out!

What 'culture' are you taking back, anyway? This statement is so vague as to be meaningless. Who stole anything from you at all? What freedoms of yours have been taken away? How do you justify 'taking our culture back,' but on the other hand, saying that 'my side' is 'robbing' yours? You seem to be advocating robbing yourself.

As I said earlier - guys like you are a dime a dozen on internet discussion boards, and if you think anyone gives a **** about your breathless indignation you're kidding yourself. The minute you want to talk about an actual issue or discuss anything in any depth - let me know. Until then you're just an ignorant asshole who somehow figured out how to use a computer, and get his AOL account hooked up.

If that's not true - if you think you're someone who can discuss policies and politics in depth, instead of just making stupid emotional comments - show us. Write something worth reading. I personally doubt you have what it takes to do so.

Cycloptichorn
Renaldo Dubois
 
  0  
Mon 28 Mar, 2011 04:49 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
I never said you couldn't insult. Where did I say that? Show us.

There's nothing to talk about. We won. Now sit back and enjoy it like your pissant president wanted us to do when you passed the HCB.
Cycloptichorn
 
  2  
Mon 28 Mar, 2011 04:52 pm
@Renaldo Dubois,
Renaldo Dubois wrote:

You don't get that. And because you don't get it, you feel you have the right to insult, degrade, intimidate, coerce and lie for your agenda. We are fed up with trash like you.


On one hand damning me for insulting and intimidating - along with coercing and lying, though you never say who I'm coercing or who I'm lying to - on the other hand, calling me and those who believe what I do 'trash.' You obviously believe YOU have the right to insult and attempt to intimidate - but I don't.

Or perhaps you can make your little rant a little clearer, if that's not what you meant.

Just to repeat what I said above: you don't have what it takes, Renaldo. Do you?

Quote:
There's nothing to talk about. We won. Now sit back and enjoy it like your pissant president wanted us to do when you passed the HCB.


Laughing You won a majority in one half of one third of the government. And you can now see all the good it's doing you. At the same time, you have no presidential candidate - and you know I'm right, so don't even bother denying it - so nothing that your crew is doing stands much of a chance of becoming law, and the odds of repealing anything Obama has done are basically zero.

Great victory you have there. How's that working out for ya so far?

Regarding the Health Care bill, the big diff is: the Dems had the numbers to pass and sign the bill. You have nothing remotely similar. So yeah - enjoy that health care law, because it isn't going anywhere. And once again - you know that's true.

Cycloptichorn
JTT
 
  2  
Mon 28 Mar, 2011 04:54 pm
@Renaldo Dubois,
Quote:
I never said you couldn't insult. Where did I say that? Show us.



Quote:
Renaldo: [in his post just before this one] Yes, I have the right to insult but others do not.


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Renaldo Dubois
 
  0  
Mon 28 Mar, 2011 05:05 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Those you support. You support the union thugs and the insulting teachers in Wisconsin. Right?

And now we have the votes to stop your pals in Wisonsin and in a year and a half we will stop Obama and reclaim the senate. Your side just had their collective asses handed to them. And your slimy HCB is going down also. Now WE have the votes. You and your pals think you can insult the American taxpayer and get away with it? Not anymore. Your arrogant collectives asses are getting kicked and will continue to get kicked until your whimpers and cries have turned silent and America returns to its greatness.
Cycloptichorn
 
  2  
Mon 28 Mar, 2011 05:06 pm
@Renaldo Dubois,
Renaldo Dubois wrote:

Those you support. You support the union thugs and the insulting teachers in Wisconsin. Right?


I don't know what you are trying to say here. Your first sentence is a fragment of a thought and the second isn't connected to anything I wrote in the post you quoted.

Perhaps you could be a bit clearer?

Cycloptichorn
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ican711nm
 
  0  
Mon 28 Mar, 2011 05:06 pm
POLITICAL CONTRIBUTIONS TO DEMOCRATS AND TO REPUBLICANS BY:

American Fed. of State, County, & Municipal Employees
Democrats $40,281,900
Republicans $547,700

Intel Brotherhood of Electrical Workers
Democrats: 29,705,600
Republicans: 679,000

National Education Association
Democrats 27,679,300
Republicans 2,005,200

Service Employees International Union
Democrats 26,368,470
Republicans 98,700

Communication Workers of America
Democrats 26,305,500
Republicans 125,300

Service Employees International Union
Democrats 26,252,000
Republicans 1,086,200

Laborers Union
Democrats 25,734,000
Republicans 2,138,000

American Federation of Teachers
Democrats 25,682,800
Republicans 200,000

United Auto Workers
Democrats 25,082,200
Republicans 182,700

Teamsters Union
Democrats 24,926,400
Republicans 1,822,000

Carpenters and Joiners Union
Democrats 24,094,100
Republicans 2,658,000

Machinists & Aerospace Workers Union
Democrats 23,875,600
Republicans 226,300

United Food and Commercial Workers Union
Democrats 23,182,000
Republicans 334,200

AFL-CIO
Democrats 17,124,300
Republicans 713,500

Sheet Metal Workers Union
Democrats 16,347,200
Republicans 342,800

Plumbers & Pipefitters Union
Democrats 14,790,000
Republicans 818,500

Operating Engineers Union
Democrats 13,840,000
Republicans 2,309,500

Airline Pilots Association
Democrats 12,806,600
Republicans 2,398,300

International Association of Firefighters
Democrats 12,421,700
Republicans 2,685,400

United Transportation Workers
Democrats 11,807,000
Republicans 1,459,300

Ironworkers Union
Democrats 11,638,900
Republicans 936,000

American Postal Workers Union
11,633,100
544,300

Nat'l Active & Retired Fed. Employees Association
Democrats 8,135,400
Republicans 2,294,600

Seafarers International Union
Democrats 6,726,800
Republicans 1,281,300

TOTAL CONTRIBUTIONS TO Democrats $486,440,870
TOTAL CONTRIBUTIONS TO Republicans $27,886,800


Source: Center for Responsive Politics, Washington, D.C.

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ican711nm
 
  -1  
Mon 28 Mar, 2011 05:17 pm
Quote:
Obama's Fiscal Policies Doom Retirement for Millions
Saturday, 26 Mar 2011 07:26 PM

By Chris Gonsalves

Barack Obama's misguided federal policies have stunted economic growth and endangered the American dream of a comfortable retirement, financial commentator and best-selling author Robert Wiedemer tells Newsmax.

"The government absolutely shares culpability in this," Wiedemer says. "Government policies are responsible for a great many of our financial problems — the state of Americans' retirements included."

Wiedemer says such attitudes are a natural extension of the bad example Washington sets with its spending habits. "The idea with retirement is that you are supposed to save part of what you make," he says. "So, what is the government doing? They are saying, 'We don't care how much we make, we're going to spend a ton more than that and we're not going to save anything.' That sets up the mentality that you don't have to worry about this anymore."

Obama's federal policies have fueled high unemployment and are claiming new victims, financial experts say: A record number of Americans now say they doubt they'll be able to afford a comfortable retirement.

A new survey indicates that fear is heightened among a growing swath of U.S. workers who have little savings and no long-term financial game plan. Rather than adjusting the way they save for their golden years, most are simply lowering their expectations with plans to continue working well beyond normal retirement age, according to the Employee Benefit Research Institute's annual Retirement Confidence Survey.

The report, released last week, shows 27 percent of American workers are not confident they'll have enough money to retire and live well. That's up 5 percent from last year, and marks the highest level of unease ever measured in the 21 years of the survey by EBRI, a Washington-based nonprofit research firm focused on health, savings, and retirement issues.

Only 13 percent of the 1,258 adults surveyed in January say they are very confident about their retirement outlook, tied for the all-time low set in 2009.

"People are starting to wake up and changing their expectation of retirement," says EBRI research director Jack VanDerhei. "Unfortunately, the survey doesn't find any evidence that people are changing their behavior — at least not yet."

According to the U.S. Census, the number of people age 65 and older will increase 79 percent by 2030 -- an additional 75 million potential new retirees.

VanDerhei says a number of systemic conditions are forcing Americans to redefine "normal" retirement, including high unemployment, government fiscal crises, rising healthcare costs, lower investment returns and longer life expectancies.

A number of those conditions, especially unemployment, have been made worse by Washington, Wiedemer and other experts maintain. "Clearly, the government has not focused enough on job creation," Wiedemer says. "Where we did create jobs it's more from government handouts, not good, private-sector jobs.

"That's an indictment of the federal stimulus," he adds. "It's doesn't work in short term because when the money is gone, you end up throwing a lot of people out of work. And in the long term, you're set up for a bigger economic fall by having borrowed all this money."

Stanley Tate, a finance and housing expert and former heard of the Resolution Trust Corp. agrees that current policy is keeping the banks from lending money, stunting economic growth, and keeping unemployment high, all of which guts savings and retirement plans.

"[The Obama administration] is doing everything wrong. He has no competency among people who are running real estate or banking," Tate says. "A guy like [Federal Reserve Chairman Ben] Bernanke is a book economist. He's doing terrible job. His theory is that money should be cheap and you stimulate the economy. I think money should be more expensive, so banks will lend it."

"There's more money available in the banking industry than ever," Tate says. "The difficulty is that they're not lending it to where it should be. None of it is being lent to new businesses. None of it is being lent to anything that would constitute job opportunities. That's one of the reasons unemployment is at a high level."

Not surprisingly, the EBRI survey shows that the smaller the nest egg, the less confidence about the future. Those with less than $100,000 in savings make up the majority of the gloomy responses. The number of workers with savings between $25,000 and $99,999 who expressed retirement doubts jumped from 7 percent in 2007 to 22 percent this year. For workers with less than $25,000 squirreled away, the no-confidence vote went from 19 percent to 43 percent in the same period.

Compounding the problem, more than a third of Americans, 34 percent, say they've had to tap an IRA, 401(k), savings, or investment account in the past year to pay for basic expenses.

Perhaps most disturbing, the EBRI research shows a significant number of U.S. workers have little or no retirement savings or investments at all. More than half of workers, 56 percent, say their savings total less than $25,000. Nearly 30 percent admit they have less than $1,000 put away for the future.

Fewer than half, 42 percent, have even bothered to try to calculate how much money they'll need to live comfortably in retirement. About a third of those who did try to determine their retirement savings needs say they did so by guessing.

"Sixty-two percent of workers said they can save more than they're saving now," says survey co-author Mathew Greenwald. "Most said they could dine out less, cut back on entertainment and, in some cases, wouldn't really need to cut back at all to increase their savings. And while the sacrifices wouldn't be that great, many still haven't formed the habit of doing it."

Among those who have tried to prepare for the future, 39 percent say they believe they'll need to accumulate at least $500,000 by the time they retire to live comfortably, the survey found. However, 31 percent say just $250,000 or less will suffice for a comfortable retirement.
"We know from previous surveys that far too many people had false confidence in the past," says VanDerhei. "People's expectations need to come closer to reality so they will save more and delay retirement until it is financially feasible."

For those who do have solid retirement savings plans, the EBRI survey comes amid a bit of good news for workers. An Associated Press analysis of 401(k) investment data shows that 90 percent of the popular retirement accounts have recouped their recessionary losses and are at least back to where they were in October 2007, the peak of the stock market. A closer look at those figures, however, indicates it's mainly younger workers with small retirement accounts who have seen the most benefit from the comeback.

Workers with one to four years on the job made up losses on their modest 401(k) account s by continuing payroll deductions through the downturn. Still, the average account balance in this group ranges from just $18,000 for the youngest workers to $39,000 for the older members. Meanwhile, workers with 10 to 30 years on the job, who have between $44,000 and $187,000 in their 401(k), still haven't recovered their losses since 2007 and remain behind the market peak by 5 to 8 percent.

Consequently, the age at which workers expect to retire continues to climb, the EBRI survey reveals. Fully 36 percent of Americans expect to be working after age 65. That's up from 11 percent in 1991 and 25 percent in 2006. Nearly three quarters of workers, 74 percent, say they expect to have to work after they retire to make ends meet. Currently fewer than 23 percent of retirees report working for pay.

"Even those who have achieved the highest levels of accumulation already, with more than $100,000 in savings, won't be able to maintain the lifestyle they're currently enjoying in retirement," says Greenwald. "The bigger problem is that most haven't changed their behavior and turned this pessimism into action to catch up."


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realjohnboy
 
  2  
Mon 28 Mar, 2011 05:41 pm
Obama: "After consulting members of Congress, we established a response..."
Hmm.
Renaldo Dubois
 
  0  
Mon 28 Mar, 2011 05:42 pm
The Speechifier in Chief is speechifying to us. Anyone listening? Just words.
 

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