H2O MAN
 
  -1  
Mon 7 Mar, 2011 11:37 am


The top 1% of taxpayers earn about 20% of the income in the United States, and yet they pay 40% of all income taxes collected.

Why do liberal progressive democrats think the top 1% need to pay more taxes?
ican711nm
 
  0  
Mon 7 Mar, 2011 02:46 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
cycloptichorn wrote:
Oh, I see! You didn't account for those taxes, and your calculation instead relies upon major changes to the tax code.

You're full of ****. Your projections not only use bad math, they make false assumptions (as Parados pointed out) and require major changes to our current structure. Your claim that you could have done better by investing your SS funds in US Savings Bonds is a lie. It has been shown to be 100% false.

This post of yours is your usual comical tirade!

Currently one's income tax on social security payments depends on how much one earns from other sources. Furthermore, my 3%USSB proposal was originally presented as a replacement to the current social security system.

As you should really understand by now, Parados provided wrong information on the social security payment percentages. Here I provide the correct payment percentages again:

Quote:

http://www.ehow.com/how_6196104_calculate-fica-deductions.html
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Know that Social Security taxes are set at a certain rate depending on the years you earned income. According to the U.S. Code Title 26.3101, any wages earned after 1990 are taxed 6.2 percent for Social Security every pay period. For self-employed individuals, this rate is a much higher at 12.4 percent.

2
Understand that Medicare is also a set percentage of your check. The standard medicare deduction for wages earned after 1990 is 1.45 percent. Once again, self-employed individuals pay more by having 2.9 percent paid for Medicare.

3
Add the Social Security total to the medicare total and you come up with your total FICA deduction, which is a 7.65 percent deduction from every paycheck or 15.3 percent for the self-employed.
...
Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Mon 7 Mar, 2011 02:49 pm
@ican711nm,
At no point did you account for the fact that one has to pay taxes on Savings Bonds. Just saying 'oh, those will be tax-free' doesn't cut it. It's not a plan or an explanation, it's hand-waving on your part.

Not that it matters, since your plan will never - ever - become law. And you know it. So Parados and I are not only comfortable in the fact that we are correct (and can do math), but in that we'll never really have to worry about it.

Cycloptichorn
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parados
 
  1  
Mon 7 Mar, 2011 03:47 pm
@ican711nm,
You failed to include the disability insurance ican.. That is part of the 12.4 and isn't for retirement. Retirement alone is 10.6%. The rest goes for disability.

Again, we see you trying to work the numbers to give you a better outcome instead of using the real numbers.
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parados
 
  1  
Mon 7 Mar, 2011 03:51 pm
@H2O MAN,
H2O MAN wrote:



The top 1% of taxpayers earn about 20% of the income in the United States, and yet they pay 40% of all income taxes collected.

Why do liberal progressive democrats think the top 1% need to pay more taxes?

Income taxes make up only 50% of Federal revenues. Why don't you include 100% of taxes in your argument squirt?


The top 1% own 90% of the wealth but only pay 20% of total taxes with their income taxes.
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failures art
 
  1  
Mon 7 Mar, 2011 04:50 pm
Meanwhile stateside...
Washington Post wrote:

In states, parties clash over voting laws that call for IDs, limits on where college students can cast ballots
By Peter Wallsten
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, March 7, 2011; 12:15 AM


New Hampshire's new Republican state House speaker is pretty clear about what he thinks of college kids and how they vote. They're "foolish," Speaker William O'Brien said in a recent speech to a tea party group.

"Voting as a liberal. That's what kids do," he added, his comments taped by a state Democratic Party staffer and posted on YouTube. Students lack "life experience," and "they just vote their feelings."

New Hampshire House Republicans are pushing for new laws that would prohibit many college students from voting in the state - and effectively keep some from voting at all.

One bill would permit students to vote in their college towns only if they or their parents had previously established permanent residency there - requiring all others to vote in the states or other New Hampshire towns they come from. Another bill would end Election Day registration, which O'Brien said unleashes swarms of students on polling places, creating opportunities for fraud.

The measures in New Hampshire are among dozens of voting-related bills being pushed by newly empowered Republican state lawmakers across the country - prompting partisan clashes akin to those already roiling in some states over GOP moves to curb union power.

Backers of the voting measures say they would bring fairness and restore confidence in a voting system vulnerable to fraud. Many states, for instance, do not require identification to vote. Measures being proposed in 32 states would add an ID requirement or proof of citizenship, according to an analysis by the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University.

"I want to know when I walk into the poll that they know I am who I say I am and that nobody else has said that they are me," said North Carolina state Rep. Ric Killian (R), who is preparing to introduce legislation that would require voters to show a photo ID at the polls.

Democrats charge that the real goal, as with anti-union measures in Wisconsin, Ohio and elsewhere, is simply to deflate the power of core Democratic voting blocs - in this case young people and minorities. For all the allegations of voter fraud, Democrats and voting rights groups say, there is scant evidence to show that it is a problem.

"It's a war on voting," said Thomas Bates, vice president of Rock the Vote, a youth voter- registration group mounting a campaign to fight the array of state measures. "We'd like to be advocating for a 21st-century voting system, but here we are fighting against efforts to turn it back to the 19th century."

The debate over voter fraud has become a perennial issue since the contested 2000 presidential election. While limited by federal law and court rulings, states have authority over how they run elections. Although elections officials say there are occasional cases of fraud, experts say the battle lines are drawn largely along deeply partisan - and largely theoretical - lines.

"Election policy debates like photo ID and same-day registration have become so fierce around the country because they are founded more on passionate belief than proven fact," said Doug Chapin, an election-law expert at the Pew Center on the States. "One side is convinced fraud is rampant; the other believes that disenfranchisement is widespread. Neither can point to much in the way of evidence to support their position, so they simply turn up the volume."

Implications for 2012
The disputes are taking on national implications. Several states where newly empowered Republicans are pushing voter legislation, such as New Hampshire, Wisconsin and North Carolina, are expected to be battlegrounds in the 2012 presidential race. Democrats say the voters most likely to be affected are core pieces of President Obama's base.

An analysis by the North Carolina State Board of Elections showed that any new law requiring a state-issued ID could be problematic for large numbers of voters, particularly African Americans, whose turnout in 2008 helped Obama win the state.

Blacks account for about one-fifth of the North Carolina electorate but are a larger share - 27 percent - of the approximately 1 million voters who may lack a state-issued ID or whose names do not exactly match the Division of Motor Vehicles database. The analysis found about 556,000 voters with no record of an ID issued by the DMV.

Republican lawmakers in North Carolina had pledged to make a photo ID bill a top priority for their new majority, but they have yet to release a plan, with the caucus deliberating over how restrictive it should be. The issue could present a dilemma for Democratic Gov. Bev Perdue, who would have to choose between signing or vetoing a bill that would be popular with swing voters but that could dampen turnout of voters she needs to win reelection next year.

In Wisconsin, a photo-ID bill backed by the state's new GOP majority would not permit voters to use school-issued student cards. The measure would allow for other IDs, such as passports, but opponents say thousands of students who do not have Wisconsin driver's licenses or passports would face unfair hurdles that would keep many of them from voting.

Republican state Sen. Mary Lazich, who heads the chamber's elections committee, said the legislation is designed to prevent irregularities, such as allegations that votes have been cast by the deceased. She said she hoped to work with university officials to allow student IDs at some point.

Student groups are rallying opposition, distributing fliers on campuses and creating Facebook pages to pressure lawmakers.

"It's no coincidence that some of the groups being targeted and that would be most affected by the bill are more Democratic generally," said Sam Polstein, 19, a University of Wisconsin sophomore from New York who is helping to organize the protests.

Opponents are also using a tea party twist - cost - to try to defeat the bill.

States that require voter IDs also must be willing to pay for them, the result of a court ruling that declared part of Georgia's ID law unconstitutional because people lacking IDs would have to pay for cards themselves - creating, in effect, a poll tax. A legislative analysis shows the Wisconsin measure would cost the state $2.7 million a year.

The Wisconsin bill is poised for passage in the state Senate but is stalled because of the legislative standoff between Republican Gov. Scott Walker and state Senate Democrats over his plan to roll back public-sector unions' collective-bargaining rights.

The outcome could be particularly critical in Wisconsin. Though Obama won the state easily in 2008, strategists in both parties expect his reelection contest to be much closer. In 2004, the Democratic nominee, Sen. John F. Kerry (Mass.), won there by just 11,000 votes, a margin easily covered just by the 17,000 out-of-state students who attend the University of Wisconsin's campus in Madison.

New Hampshire bill
In New Hampshire, the measure that covers college students also targets members of the military who are temporarily stationed in the state. But there are no major military installations there, and GOP lawmakers have reserved their criticisms for the voting behavior of students - leading even some college-age Republicans to fight back.

"There's no doubt that this bill would help Republican causes," said Richard Sunderland III, head of the College Republicans at Dartmouth College. But, he added, "this doesn't help if the Republican Party wants to try to win over people in the 18-to-24 age range."

After posting O'Brien's comments about college students on the Internet, state Democratic Party officials accused the GOP of pushing the legislation to rig elections. Voting rights advocates have noted that the courts have affirmed the rights of students to vote where they live.

A spokeswoman for O'Brien said he had not endorsed specific legislation but had spoken out in favor generally of tightening state voting laws.

Same-day registration "coupled with a lax definition of residency creates an environment in which people may be claiming residency in multiple locations," O'Brien said in a written statement from his office. He added that changing the law "is not an idea targeting any particular political party or ideology."

Still, the sponsor of the measure, state Rep. Gregory Sorg, addressing a packed public hearing room late last month, focused his ire directly at the college set.

Average taxpayers in college towns, he said, are having their votes "diluted or entirely canceled by those of a huge, largely monolithic demographic group . . . composed of people with a dearth of experience and a plethora of the easy self-confidence that only ignorance and inexperience can produce."

Their "youthful idealism," he added, "is focused on remaking the world, with themselves in charge, of course, rather than with the mundane humdrum of local government."


source

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cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Mon 7 Mar, 2011 04:54 pm
@failures art,
Does the GOP also believe that 18-year olds are too young for military service, because they don't have enough life experiences?

They can die for their country, but voting is verboten. Yeah, makes a lot of sense like the other GOP movements to deny same sex marriage, abortion, and labor unions.
realjohnboy
 
  1  
Mon 7 Mar, 2011 05:32 pm
@cicerone imposter,
We had the debate here in Cville regarding UVA students. I think it was settled with where their cars were registered. Of course our town is run by liberals so they made every effort to include as many students as possible.
There was a story on NPR out of Texas that caught my ear. The census will likely show a hefty increase in population in that state. Some will come from retirees from the mid-west while there will also be an increase in the legal and illegal largely Hispanic population.
The census counts noses, but also how many of them classify themselves as white, black or Hispanic. But the census makes no distinction between legal or illegal noses. Data is used to decide mundane things like where firehouses are built.
But the data is also used in deciding how the boundaries of voting districts are drawn.
Some supporters of the Tea Party in particular and the Republicans argue that the population figures should be adjusted to exclude an estimate of illegal immigrants when drawing up voting districts. Most of the illegals settle in urban areas (liberal?) vs rural (conservative?)
A lawsuit has been filed, of course.
One of the arguments raised is this: Should under voting age children also be excluded in determining the population?
JTT
 
  1  
Mon 7 Mar, 2011 05:43 pm
@realjohnboy,
Quote:
Of course our town is run by liberals so they made every effort to include as many students as possible.


That's, that's that's just downright unAmerican is what it is!
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parados
 
  2  
Mon 7 Mar, 2011 06:20 pm
@realjohnboy,
Quote:
Some supporters of the Tea Party in particular and the Republicans argue that the population figures should be adjusted to exclude an estimate of illegal immigrants when drawing up voting districts. Most of the illegals settle in urban areas (liberal?) vs rural (conservative?)

Are they really willing to argue that when it comes to proportioning the number of US House members per state? It might reduce the pickups TX is expected to get.
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plainoldme
 
  1  
Mon 7 Mar, 2011 07:13 pm
@H2O MAN,
There were anti-bush bumper stickers during his 8 years but they were never threatening and often funny. I was behind a car with two anti-Obama bumper stickers that were "rude, crude and socially unacceptable," as the works of the wing nuts tend to be.

The vehemence must be partly due to the fact that he identifies as a Black man and because the right, mistakenly, identifies him as a liberal.

Conservatives are not nice people. They lack humor, an indicator of intelligence. More seriously, they lack manners.
H2O MAN
 
  -4  
Mon 7 Mar, 2011 08:05 pm
@plainoldme,
Liberals are not warm and fuzzy people, they are smug and arrogant.
They have no sense of humor and they are too dense to grasp the idea of personal responsibility
and being self reliant. More seriously, they all have an over inflated sense of self worth.

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac160/The_H2O_MAN/th_ass.jpg


realjohnboy
 
  3  
Mon 7 Mar, 2011 08:34 pm
@H2O MAN,
H2O MAN wrote:

Liberals are not warm and fuzzy people, they are smug and arrogant.
They have no sense of humor...


Okay, I'll bite on that part about humor. Let us here more about that.
So this liberal and a conservative walk into a bar. The lib orders a beer and the conservative orders a martini. The bartender says...
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plainoldme
 
  1  
Mon 7 Mar, 2011 09:14 pm
@H2O MAN,
If you say it often enough, you just might believe it.

I conjectured that some hippie girl that okie was pestering told him to take a long walk off a short pier. What is your story? Some guy in a teahouse shove you off?
Finn dAbuzz
 
  3  
Mon 7 Mar, 2011 09:49 pm
@plainoldme,
Why is it that so many of you uber-tolerant lefties resort to "homo" insults?

This is a phenomenon we see quite frequently on A2K.

What does it say about your true feelings for gays and lesbians when you consider it a real " zinger" to challenge someone's sexuality?

Oh, I get it...you're being ironic.

Yeah right!
plainoldme
 
  2  
Mon 7 Mar, 2011 09:51 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
I'm surprised you got it. Your first line pointed to a lot of assumption and naivety. But, splash deserves it. He never contributes anything but insults.
Finn dAbuzz
 
  1  
Mon 7 Mar, 2011 10:07 pm
@plainoldme,
Ask your gay friends if they think such irony is clever.
failures art
 
  2  
Mon 7 Mar, 2011 10:11 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Why is it that so many of you uber-tolerant lefties resort to "homo" insults?

This is a phenomenon we see quite frequently on A2K.

Where do you see this? POM certainly is doing in the post you're referencing, and I don't approve, but you say this happens frequently. Who?

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H2O MAN
 
  -2  
Tue 8 Mar, 2011 05:34 am
@plainoldme,
Pom, did some tuna muncher squeeze out the lone sperm donor in your life?
Do you now spend most of your time braiding each others pubes?

When did you make the choice?
parados
 
  1  
Tue 8 Mar, 2011 07:15 am
@failures art,
failures art wrote:

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Why is it that so many of you uber-tolerant lefties resort to "homo" insults?

This is a phenomenon we see quite frequently on A2K.

Where do you see this? POM certainly is doing in the post you're referencing, and I don't approve, but you say this happens frequently. Who?

A
R
T

The post above this one..



Oh.. wait.. that wasn't one of those uber-tolerant lefties...
 

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