Finn dAbuzz
 
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Mon 20 Dec, 2010 09:33 pm
@plainoldme,
People for the American Way - now there's an organization on which we can count for objective, partisan free analysis.
JTT
 
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Mon 20 Dec, 2010 09:48 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Typical Finn. Which quote do you believe they doctored?
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plainoldme
 
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Tue 21 Dec, 2010 11:49 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:
People for the American Way - now there's an organization on which we can count for objective, partisan free analysis.


As if you ever made -- or endorsed -- an objective, partisan free statement.

Why is it that you fail to complain when the right makes up statements from the whole cloth but you start throwing rocks when someone posts something from a liberal/left/progressive organization. That is the equivalent of saying you on the left have no right to speak.
ican711nm
 
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Tue 21 Dec, 2010 12:11 pm
Colleen Owens, in TEA PARTY THE AWAKENING, pages 200 and 201, wrote:
I don’t know if the Tea Party movement is too late to turn this country around, but I do believe we are this country’s only hope of stopping the progressives from bankrupting this country and turning us into socialist serfs of the state.

George Soros has declared and is declaring:
His objective is a "a new world order" with the USA one of its subordinates;
The USA is the main obstacle to establishing a new and stable World Order;
His goal is to become the conscience of the world.

A Soros subordinate in 2004 declared "the Democratic Party is our party; we bought it, we own it."

George Soros wrote:
My goal is the establishment of a new and stable world order. ... The USA is the main obstacle to establishing a new and stable World Order.
... My process for taking over a country was and is:
(1) Establish a shadow government;
(2) Control communications;
(3) Destabilize the state;
(4) Provoke an election crisis;
(5) Take power.

Clearly, George Soros is a self-confessed traitor to the USA. Consequently, George Soros must be indicted and tried as such.

Barach Obama is one of the employees of George Soros.

The Tea Party Movement is our country’s only hope of stopping Soros and his employees from bankrupting this country and turning us into socialist serfs of the state.
ican711nm
 
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Tue 21 Dec, 2010 12:13 pm
@ican711nm,
GEORGE SOROS in his 1995 book, page 145, Soros on Soros, I do not accept the rules imposed by others. If I did, I would not be alive today. I am a law-abiding citizen, but I recognize that there are regimes that need to be opposed rather than accepted. And in periods of regime change, the normal rules don't apply. One needs to adjust one's behavior to the changing circumstances.

Bruck, in The World According to Soros, page 58,Tividar [George Soros's father] saved his family by splitting them up, providing them with forged papers and false identities as Christians, and bribing Gentile families to take them in. George Soros took the name Sandor Kiss, and posed as the godson of a man named Baumbach, an official of Hungary's fascist regime. Baumbach was assigned to deliver deportation notices to Jews and confiscate Jewish property. [Baumbach] brought young Soros with him on his rounds.

Michael Kaufman in his biography of George Soros, page 293, Soros , My goal is to become the conscience of the world.

GEORGE SOROS in his 2000 book, page 337, Open Society, Usually it takes a crisis to prompt a meaningful change in direction.

GEORGE SOROS in the Washington Post, page A03 of November 11, 2003, Ousting Bush from the White House is the central focus of my life. It's a matter of life and death.

GEORGE SOROS in the 2003 edition of his book, page 15, The Alchemy of Finance, My greatest fear is that the Bush Doctrine will succeed--that Bush will crush the terrorists, tame the rogue states of the axis of evil, and usher in a golden age of American supremacy. American supremacy is flawed and bound to fail in the long run.

What I am afraid of is that the pursuit of American supremacy may be successful for a while because the United States in fact employs a dominant position in the world today.

GEORGE SOROS on June 10, 2004 to the Associated Press, These are not normal times.

GEORGE SOROS in his 2004 book, page 159, The Bubble of American Supremacy, The principles of the Declaration of Independence are not self-evident truths but arrangements necessitated by our inherently imperfect understanding.

In April 2005 the Soros funded Campus Progress web site posted this headline: "An Invitation to Help Design the Constitution in 2020" (This was an invitation to a Yale law School Conference on "The Constitution of 2020: a progressive vision of what the Constitution ought to be.")

Sam Hananel in his associated Press article, December 10, 2004, On December 9, 2004, Eli Pariser, who headed Soros's group Moveon PAC, boasted to his members, "Now the Democratic Party is our party. We bought it, we own it."

Soros … pushed for the Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act of 2002 which was intended to ban "soft money" contributions to federal election campaigns. Soros has responded that his donations to unaffiliated organizations do not raise the same corruption issues as donations directly to the candidates or political parties.

Soros gave $3 million to the Center for American Progress, committed $5 million to MoveOn, while he and his friend Peter Lewis each gave America Coming Together $10 million. (All were groups that worked to support Democrats in the 2004 election.) On September 28, 2004 he dedicated more money to the campaign and kicked off his own multi-state tour with a speech: Why We Must Not Re-elect President Bush[19] delivered at the National Press Club in Washington, DC.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Tue 21 Dec, 2010 01:17 pm
@plainoldme,
plainoldme wrote:

Quote:
People for the American Way - now there's an organization on which we can count for objective, partisan free analysis.


As if you ever made -- or endorsed -- an objective, partisan free statement.

You couldn't possibly know this to be the case.

Why is it that you fail to complain when the right makes up statements from the whole cloth

Because I know you and twenty other A2K liberals will be there to do it for me. Cool BTW, does this mean you are admitting People for The American Way makes up statements from whole cloth?


but you start throwing rocks when someone posts something from a liberal/left/progressive organization. That is the equivalent of saying you on the left have no right to speak.

I'm not sure what you mean by throwing rocks.

Pointing out that People for The American Way is a partisan and biased organization is "throwing rocks?" Do you disagree with this assessment of People for The American Way?

It certainly isn't the equivalent of saying you on the left have no right to speak, and what if it was? Who would care if I made such a silly pronouncement?

If I was attempting to cite a non-partisan, non-biased analysis of an issue, I certainly wouldn't provide a link to Newmax.


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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Tue 21 Dec, 2010 01:21 pm
@ican711nm,
Quote:
Clearly, George Soros is a self-confessed traitor to the USA. Consequently, George Soros must be indicted and tried as such.


That's pretty bold.

I know he was a traitor to his fellow Jews during WWII, but when did he confess to being a traitor to the US?
realjohnboy
 
  2  
Tue 21 Dec, 2010 02:53 pm
Minutes ago, the START treaty had a test vote in the Senate. It passed 67-28 with 11 Republicans joining all of the Democrats present to get to the 2/3rds majority. 28 Republicans voted against it. A final vote is expected to take place tomorrow.
Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Wed 22 Dec, 2010 11:09 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

People for the American Way - now there's an organization on which we can count for objective, partisan free analysis.


I actually have less of a problem with this criticism than many of my fellow travelers here - not because I think PFTAW is any sort of bad organization, but I surely don't trust many organizations with a clear right-wing bias.

I guess, though, that for the criticism to be more meaningful, you probably ought to be able to point out that part of that piece which was incorrect.

Cycloptichorn
H2O MAN
 
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Wed 22 Dec, 2010 11:13 am
@realjohnboy,
realjohnboy wrote:

Minutes ago, the START treaty had a test vote in the Senate. It passed 67-28 with 11 Republicans joining all of the Democrats present to get to the 2/3rds majority. 28 Republicans voted against it. A final vote is expected to take place tomorrow.


Can we trust the Obama administration to be on top of all things concerning National Security?

White House admits that James Clapper wasn't briefed on U.K. terror sweep after the
National Intelligence boss appeared stumped when asked about it during a TV interview.


I think the answer is NO.
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ican711nm
 
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Wed 22 Dec, 2010 11:41 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
In a TV interview in November.
ican711nm
 
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Wed 22 Dec, 2010 12:43 pm
Quote:
In a Wall Street Journal piece out this morning we learn the FCC has gone rogue on the issue and is completely bypassing Congress in an effort to grab control over the web.
"To date, the FCC hasn't ruled out increasing its power further by using the phone monopoly laws, directly or indirectly regulating rates someday, or expanding its reach deeper into mobile broadband services. The most expansive regulatory regimes frequently started out modest and innocuous before incrementally growing into heavy-handed behemoths.

On this winter solstice, we will witness jaw-dropping interventionist chutzpah as the FCC bypasses branches of our government in the dogged pursuit of needless and harmful regulation. The darkest day of the year may end up marking the beginning of a long winter's night for Internet freedom."

On the surface it would appear as though this entire net regulation argument surrounds the price we pay for access to the web. But the kicker is that once FCC is granted oversight and control on pricing, there will be very little standing in the way of expansion into communication through the web itself.

It's important to remember that without the web, the tea party movement would not exist. For those of you involved back in February of 2009, you'll remember the tea party movement used wiki's, blogs and open source software to organize a Historic day of rallies and protests.
We Need Congress

We badly need to get newly elected members of Congress involved in a full frontal assault on the FCC. It's time we tied the hands of the FCC to ensure they stay within their granted power and do not stray into areas where the people have clearly demanded they stay out.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Wed 22 Dec, 2010 01:20 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

People for the American Way - now there's an organization on which we can count for objective, partisan free analysis.


I actually have less of a problem with this criticism than many of my fellow travelers here - not because I think PFTAW is any sort of bad organization, but I surely don't trust many organizations with a clear right-wing bias.

I guess, though, that for the criticism to be more meaningful, you probably ought to be able to point out that part of that piece which was incorrect.

Cycloptichorn


It's not a question of factual accuracy. I don't know if there was anything in the article that amounted to a blatant error or lie, but then I didn't criticize the source for being inaccurate or lying. I questioned their objectivity.

The following lines clearly reflect opinion as opposed to statements of fact.

Quote:
Congress has made all of us safer and made clear that the men and women who sacrifice for our country should be treated with respect, regardless of sexual orientation.


Congress has made us safer?
I don't know what this can be reasonably based upon, but clearly it's opinion

Quote:
For those who remembered John McCain as a reasonable and sometimes even moderate Republican senator, the image was shocking. It seemed like Senator McCain had completely lost his mind.


It's unlikely that everyone that remembers or currently sees McCain as reasonable and "sometimes" moderate was shocked by his statements and though he had gone crazy.

Again, obvious opinion, and exaggerated at that.

Quote:
These aren't fringe figures in the Religious Right movement. They are important figures in the GOP, and party leaders are eager to cater to their bigoted agenda.


LaBarbara and Fischer's statements are outrageous, but to call them important figures in the GOP a big stretch. I would agree that Tony Perkins carries political weight with the GOP, but his statement is nothing like that of the other two.

Perkins wrote:
"It is clear why this was done: not to enhance the military's ability to accomplish its mission or to enhance national security. Rather, it is a political payoff to a tiny, but loud and wealthy, part of the Democratic base."


The primary arguments for the repeal have not been national security or improved performance in the military. I don't believe it was intended solely as a political payoff, but it's realistic that there were discussion around it that involved responding to an important issue for an improtant segment of the Democrat coalition.

The comment about GOP party leaders being eager to cater to their bigoted agenda is silly.

In any case, opinion all.

Quote:
Thanks to a flood of new right-wing politicians entering Congress in just a few weeks, you can expect more extremism and more politicians playing political games with important issues.


More opinion, and in light of the fact that the repeal was approved misplaced opinion at that.

The bottom line is that these comments clearly reflect a partisan bias. If you share that bias, they will resonate with you, but if you were attempting to objectively explain the issue of DADT to someone who knew nothing about it, this article would hardly be one of the first you'd suggested they read.
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JTT
 
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Wed 22 Dec, 2010 01:22 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:
I know he [George Soros] was a traitor to his fellow Jews during WWII,


How do you "know" this, Finn?
Finn dAbuzz
 
  1  
Wed 22 Dec, 2010 01:23 pm
@ican711nm,
Any confirming links?
ican711nm
 
  0  
Wed 22 Dec, 2010 04:54 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn, here are some links that will lead you to some confirming links:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Soros#Influencing_media

http://www.earstohear.net/soros.html

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=George_Soros
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cicerone imposter
 
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Wed 22 Dec, 2010 05:21 pm
@JTT,
He doesn't; he uses his own imagination about people he knows nothing about.

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ican711nm
 
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Wed 22 Dec, 2010 05:52 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
http://sandrarose.com/2009/11/george-soros-plot-to-create-a-new-world-order-through-the-destruction-of-the-us-economy/
Finn, this is a link to George Soros's TV interview wherein he states his objective regarding a new world order:
Quote:
... Create a New World Order Through the Destruction of the U.S. Economy
Cycloptichorn
 
  2  
Wed 22 Dec, 2010 07:53 pm
@ican711nm,
I cannot believe that any person who speaks English could watch that interview and come to the conclusions you seem to have come to, Ican.

Cycloptichorn
cicerone imposter
 
  3  
Wed 22 Dec, 2010 07:58 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
It's obvious ican has no language or interpretation skills. He arrives at conclusions that isn't even suggested during that interview.
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