Obama '08?

@ican711nm,

ican711nm wrote:

GEORGE SOROS in his 2004 book, page 159, [I]The Bubble of American Supremacy[/I], wrote:
The principles of the Declaration of Independence are not self-evident truths but arrangements necessitated by our inherently imperfect understanding.

Soros wouldn't recognize a self evident truth if he tripped over one.

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@okie,

Considering that,

the USA sure doesn't come anywhere close to living up to those "self evident truths" The facts clearly show that the USA abuses those principles with a frightening regularity,

you, out of many people, Okie, should not be throwing stones.

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@JTT,

JTT wrote:

He's gotta be at least partially right, Ican because the USA sure doesn't come anywhere close to living up to those "self evident truths" The facts clearly show that the USA abuses those principles with a frightening regularity.

Yes, for some time, say since 1910, the USA has been increasingly abandoning the "self-evident truths" in the Declaration of Independence. However, a growing abandonment of truths by any group of human beings does not change those truths from being "self-evident truths."

"Self-evident truths" no matter how frequently or infrequently recognized as such are still "self-evident truths."

The Goddamn abandonment of these "self-evident truths" -- all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness --must be stopped and reversed. In fact, all human beings are obligated to live by these truths, not merely Americans.

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@okie,

okie wrote:

Frankly, I don't care, revelette. Anyone that plays basketball should expect an elbow now and then. Its part of the game, and it certainly is not newsworthy. This is just another reason why many of us have given up on much of the press, as they are virtually worthless in reporting something important.

Fair enough, Okie, but it is a slow news weekend. If you were a news director of a major program lasting 30 or 60 minutes (minus commercials and more commercials) what stories would you have covered tonight? What news is being over or under reported that you would correct, and still keep eyeballs watching during the commercials?
This is, obviously, a total throwaway question. It is a slow night on A2K, also.

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@ican711nm,

I've never seen this degree of honesty from you before, Ican. It's downright refreshing to hear you admit that the US is guilty of numerous war crimes/terrorist activities/mass murder.

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@realjohnboy,

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It is a slow night on A2K, also.

Oh--I don't know about that Johnny. I just did "Agnostic belly dancer" on the A to Z of occupations, and that's something to conjure with after three pints, and I got smorgsie admitting she fakes her "Ooooh!" s. Plus the carrot/pressure cooker joke. And religion being worthwhile because vicars are good for a laugh which scientists aren't.

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@revelette,

revelette wrote:

I wondered if anyone caught the story of Obama being elbowed.

Obama gets 12 stitches after basketball action

He must be alright, he's watched a game today.

Obama's brother-in-law coaches hoops today in D.C.

no truth to the rumor that the guy who threw the elbow has been invited to go hunting with Joe Biden.

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@blueveinedthrobber,

Nobody would go hunting with Joe Biden. There would be too many witnesses and stoolies.

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@blueveinedthrobber,

I thought it was Dick Cheney who shot the lawyer. It was, it should be noted, in-season for shooting lawyers.

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@realjohnboy,

realjohnboy wrote:

okie wrote:
Frankly, I don't care, revelette. Anyone that plays basketball should expect an elbow now and then. Its part of the game, and it certainly is not newsworthy. This is just another reason why many of us have given up on much of the press, as they are virtually worthless in reporting something important.
Fair enough, Okie, but it is a slow news weekend. If you were a news director of a major program lasting 30 or 60 minutes (minus commercials and more commercials) what stories would you have covered tonight? What news is being over or under reported that you would correct, and still keep eyeballs watching during the commercials?
This is, obviously, a total throwaway question. It is a slow night on A2K, also.

I admit I don't know what all I would cover, but the bit about Obama just struck me as a "so what?" story in my opinion. Surely the media could come up with a few things that are impacting the world, such as some in-depth reporting of the Korean problem, perhaps more history on Thanksgiving, plus more financial and shopping stories that are out there, to go along with the economic news? As for myself and family, we have paid little or no attention to the media, to be honest. Besides family discussions and two or three short shopping trips, I have looked in on this forum a couple of times or so, very briefly, to see whats going on.

How about this story, has this been widely broadcast? I haven't noticed it besides Fox.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/11/27/iraq-arrests-deadly-baghdad-church-siege/?test=latestnews
"Iraqi premier: No need for US troops after 2011"

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@okie,

If I were a news director not concerned with ratings, I would have lead with the demonstrations in Ireland today. The economic situation there, and in Spain, Portugal and perhaps Greece could come to something of a climax next week. The Irish government could fall.
South Korea/North Korea/China/U.S. seems to have cooled down for the moment.
A relative newcomer to A2K is FBM. He has lived in South Korea for a decade and a half. He has an interesting thread going on regarding the situation there.
Sadly, some other A2Ker's have seen fit to leap in and drive the thread off topic. But there are a few of us still trying to participate.
I am surprised that there hasn't been more discussion about Obama and the Korean crisis. Perhaps the talking heads are away for the weekend and will tell people what to think on Monday.

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@realjohnboy,

I will have to admit I may be suffering from A2K burnout, or maybe just news burnout for a while. It seems more enjoyable just to talk with family and do other things. I did hear John Bolton talk a bit about the Korean situation on a talk show yesterday on the way to the store, and he rightly pointed out that the North Korean threat has to be dealt with firmly, or we will end up with much more and multiple problems on our hands in the long run. For example, diversions provide windows of opportunity for other bad apples around the world, such as Iran, China wanting Taiwan back, assorted terrorists, etc. We know from our childhood experiences that if the neighborhood bully detects moments of weakness or opportunities to do his thing, it can present big problems.

The question is - do we have a president that is prepared to deal appropriately and firmly with this kind of stuff? And I don't think it helps to have a press and a culture more interested in the prez playing basketball.

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@okie,

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I did hear John Bolton talk a bit about the Korean situation on a talk show yesterday on the way to the store, and he rightly pointed out that the North Korean threat has to be dealt with firmly, or we will end up with much more and multiple problems on our hands in the long run.

Why would you believe anything that that noted liar has to say, Okie? He accused Cuba of terrorist activities until Jimmy Carter pointed out that he was a liar.

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@okie,

okie wrote:

I did hear John Bolton talk a bit about the Korean situation on a talk show yesterday... and he rightly pointed out that the North Korean threat has to be dealt with firmly...

What a bunch of crap that is! "Firmly?" What does that mean? Nuke them? Target their strategic facilities? Take out the leadership? Sanction them into starvation?
A2K burnout or news burnout. I hear what you are saying, but I am not sure you can ever declare a timeout like you can in basketball.

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@ican711nm,

I would guess that you have no idea what point Soros was making if you think that quote is harmful or subversive.

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@realjohnboy,

As Scott Simon reminded us this morning, presidential injuries happen. The last one was george bush's choking on a pretzel.

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@okie,

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will have to admit I may be suffering from A2K burnout, or maybe just news burnout for a while.

You're probably suffering because you no longer can wish away the numerous war crimes committed by the USA. It's hard I know, but dealing with this like an adult is the only way to go. The facts are there, Okie and you're just too honest a guy to deny them.

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@okie,

Seeing as how you have had press burn out I guess you missed most of the news so you really couldn't tell whether any of those topics you mentioned were discussed on the news or here or not. Most were, NK has two threads. I am not really knowledgeable about whole NK/SK and surrounding countries and issues to talk about too much about it, but others have.

You brought up the thanksgiving and shopping stories, those stories have been on the news, but I am not sure here, but then I tend to miss a lot of threads if its not under the politics tag. But here you go:

Limbaugh tried to rain on Barack Obama's Thanksgiving Day parade, lashing out against a proclamation issued by the president to honor the national holiday and the story behind it

What recession? Shoppers eat up Black Friday deals

I stayed home myself and just shopped online. Had a pretty back wreck almost a half a year ago and still kind of recovering, knew I couldn't fight the crowds.

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@okie,

The difference okie is in the case of Delay there was evidence, an indictment and a conviction.

All you have about Obama is a suspicion with no evidence. When you figure out what reality is, it might come as shock to you.

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@okie,

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How about this story, has this been widely broadcast? I haven't noticed it besides Fox.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/11/27/iraq-arrests-deadly-baghdad-church-siege/?test=latestnews
"Iraqi premier: No need for US troops after 2011"

What a HUGE news story.. The agreement didn't change today
No wonder Fox thinks it's a huge story.

Drunk

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