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plainoldme
 
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Tue 23 Nov, 2010 03:42 pm
@okie,
Quote:
It is interesting that many here are totally ignorant of some of the things going on behind the scenes, such as what George Soros is doing.


Have you ever heard of "yellow journalism?"

Well, glenn beck is the chief proponent of yellow journalism today. When you make up a lie and seek evidence to support your lie, you will find it. That, is the essence of yellow journalism.

glenn beck made everything he says about Soros.
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parados
 
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Tue 23 Nov, 2010 03:57 pm
@okie,
Quote:
Even cicerone imposter seemed unaware that Soros money behind the Democrats could sway any votes.

But the evidence shows the Koch Brothers have more money behind the GOP than Soros has behind the Dems.
okie
 
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Tue 23 Nov, 2010 06:34 pm
@parados,
http://www.opensecrets.org/527s/527indivs.php?cycle=2004
The above site shows that the top four individual contributors to 527 groups for the 2004 election were all left leaning, with Soros at the top with almost 24 million dollars. The top four totaled 73.8 million. I see liberals Herb and Marion Sandler make the list. They made billions by selling World Savings, which they had built into a ticking financial time bomb with risky adjustable rate mortgages. I don't even see the Koch brothers on the list, parados.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/how_allies_of_george_soros_hel.html

I found the following site, which is interesting.
http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2010/09/opensecrets-battle---koch-brothers.html
It appears the Koch Brothers are more involved in donations to political action committees with about 6 million between 1989 and 1910, and another 50 million between 1998 and 2010 into lobbying for their extensive business interests, from ranching to oil and manufacturing. It is in the 527 groups that Soros clearly rules the day, with the Koch Brothers contributing 1.5 million between 2001 and 2010, compared to George Soros total contributions to 527s of 32.5 million.

In my opinion, what it boils down to is whether a person agrees with the political activities of Soros or the Koch Brothers, and their political organizations. Personally, I find Soros and his socialist / New World Order / anti-American agenda far more troubling than the libertarian leaning Koch Brothers. For one thing, the Koch Brothers are more involved in meaningful businesses that produce actual products, goods, and services, which explain why they had to spend so much on lobbying to protect their business interests. Meanwhile, the multi-billionaire international financier, George Soros has been involved in insider trading and is highly suspected of manipulating currencies with questionable political motives.
http://www.onenewsnow.com/Culture/Default.aspx?id=924136
ican711nm
 
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Wed 24 Nov, 2010 03:40 pm
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George Soros repeatedly declares his objective to be a "a new world order" with the USA one of its subordinates. On December 9, 2004, Eli Pariser, then head of Soros's Moveon PAC, declared, "Now the Democratic Party is our party. We bought it, we own it.” Obama is an employee of George Soros. The Obama government is our enemy.
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parados
 
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Wed 24 Nov, 2010 06:35 pm
@okie,
Oh.. you have an uninformed opinion. That's nice okie. You seem to have a lot of them.

Arguing that contributing to 527's means Soros owns the Dems doesn't make sense when Koch gives MORE to the GOP.
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parados
 
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Wed 24 Nov, 2010 06:44 pm
@okie,
Quote:
George Soros has been involved in insider trading and is highly suspected of manipulating currencies with questionable political motives.
http://www.onenewsnow.com/Culture/Default.aspx?id=924136


And Koch Industries have paid record fines and been on probation for criminal actions including theft from Indian lands.
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parados
 
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Wed 24 Nov, 2010 07:07 pm
@okie,
okie wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:
Please. Do you even remember Tom DeLay and Jack Abramoff? Cycloptichorn

Oh give us a break, cyclops, do you have to go back to your favorite whipping boys? Did I see the charges were dropped on DeLay? And as far as Abramoff is concerned, we had to read that crap every single day, but we hear nothing about Obama's, Reid's and Pelosi's relatives profiting.

I just wanted to point out how out of touch with reality okie is these days.

Tom Delay was convicted by a jury today for his actions in funding campaigns.
realjohnboy
 
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Wed 24 Nov, 2010 07:17 pm
@parados,
parados wrote:


Tom Delay was convicted by a jury today for his actions in funding campaigns.


Money laundering, actually.
parados
 
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Wed 24 Nov, 2010 07:27 pm
@realjohnboy,
Yes, money laundering campaign funds to finance campaigns with illegal funds.
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okie
 
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Wed 24 Nov, 2010 10:21 pm
@realjohnboy,
realjohnboy wrote:
parados wrote:
Tom Delay was convicted by a jury today for his actions in funding campaigns.
Money laundering, actually.
Is that as bad as receiving campaign funds from foreign sources? In other words, is it better to not wash the money, just accept dirty money?
"Obama used the specter of foreign money being used in campaigns when he accused the Chamber of Commerce of funding campaign ads using foreign money. The US Chamber gets less than $100,000 from foreign member affiliates in a budget of over $200 million and keeps this money carefully segregated. Unlike the Obama campaign which accepted vast amounts of money via untraceable donations using a system which could detect illegal contributions but which they deliberately disabled so as to be able to accept foreign contributions."
http://moneyrunner.blogspot.com/2010/10/was-barack-obamas-campaign-financed.html
ican711nm
 
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Fri 26 Nov, 2010 10:46 am
Hamilton Fedralist Paper No. 36:

Let it be recollected that the proportion of these taxes is not to be left to the discretion of the national legislature, but is to be determined by the numbers of each State, as described in the second section of the first article. An actual census or enumeration of the people must furnish the rule, a circumstance which effectually shuts the door to partiality or oppression. The abuse of this power of taxation seems to have been provided against with guarded circumspection. In addition to the precaution just mentioned, there is a provision that "all duties, imposts, and excises shall be UNIFORM throughout the United States.''


Pertinent excerpts from the Constitution:

Amendment V. No person shall be … deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Amendment IX. The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
Amendment X. The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

Article II. Section 1. No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States.

Article II. Section 1. The President shall, … Before he enter on the execution of his office, he shall take the following oath or affirmation:--"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

Article II. Section 4. The President … shall be removed from office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

Article VI. The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the members of the several state legislatures, and all executive and judicial officers, both of the United States and of the several states, shall be bound by oath or affirmation, to support this Constitution.

Article I. Section 8. The Congress shall have power … To lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

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blueveinedthrobber
 
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Fri 26 Nov, 2010 11:49 am
@parados,
parados wrote:

okie wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:
Please. Do you even remember Tom DeLay and Jack Abramoff? Cycloptichorn

Oh give us a break, cyclops, do you have to go back to your favorite whipping boys? Did I see the charges were dropped on DeLay? And as far as Abramoff is concerned, we had to read that crap every single day, but we hear nothing about Obama's, Reid's and Pelosi's relatives profiting.

I just wanted to point out how out of touch with reality okie is these days.

Tom Delay was convicted by a jury today for his actions in funding campaigns.


you know that in Oklahoma they put Focus on The Family flyers with pro republican rhetoric in the bibles and pews? what do you expect? before anyone says I'm full of ****, squinney has held them in her hands.
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realjohnboy
 
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Fri 26 Nov, 2010 01:52 pm
Just in...
President Obama has had to have 12 stitches in his lip after catching an elbow during a basketball game. The elbow has not yet been identified.
P.S. Don't bother making a quip about him taking another shellacking. It's already been done elsewhere.
Region Philbis
 
  1  
Fri 26 Nov, 2010 04:29 pm
@realjohnboy,

secret service agents reportedly moved in quickly and wrestled the elbow to the ground...
plainoldme
 
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Fri 26 Nov, 2010 10:09 pm
@Region Philbis,
Now, that is funny.
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revelette
 
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Sat 27 Nov, 2010 11:29 am
I wondered if anyone caught the story of Obama being elbowed.

Obama gets 12 stitches after basketball action

He must be alright, he's watched a game today.



Obama's brother-in-law coaches hoops today in D.C.
ican711nm
 
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Sat 27 Nov, 2010 12:56 pm
GEORGE SOROS in his 2004 book, page 159, [I]The Bubble of American Supremacy[/I], wrote:
The principles of the Declaration of Independence are not self-evident truths but arrangements necessitated by our inherently imperfect understanding.
JTT
 
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Sat 27 Nov, 2010 01:20 pm
@ican711nm,
He's gotta be at least partially right, Ican because the USA sure doesn't come anywhere close to living up to those "self evident truths" The facts clearly show that the USA abuses those principles with a frightening regularity.
okie
 
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Sat 27 Nov, 2010 02:14 pm
@revelette,
revelette wrote:

I wondered if anyone caught the story of Obama being elbowed.
Obama gets 12 stitches after basketball action
He must be alright, he's watched a game today.
Obama's brother-in-law coaches hoops today in D.C.
Frankly, I don't care, revelette. Anyone that plays basketball should expect an elbow now and then. Its part of the game, and it certainly is not newsworthy. This is just another reason why many of us have given up on much of the press, as they are virtually worthless in reporting something important.
 

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