Obama '08?

@talk72000,

talk72000 wrote:

Your buddy GWB with the invasion of Iraq on false WMD charges.

The charges were not false and you and your radicals have no proof that they were.

@H2O MAN,

You believe in lies. Even GWB admits it was wrong by suggesting he was fooled by Saddam pretending to have weapons that were imaginary.

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@talk72000,

Talkie, the truth ain't in you.

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@parados,

parados wrote:

Well moron, I have spent a hell of a lot more time on a farm than you have. But, don't worry, you know all about farms because you spent a couple of weeks on one as a teenager.

Sorry to continue the farm and barn issue, but I think this issue is worth investigating further, because parados credibility is at issue here as well. The above comment by you, parados, I think needs further explanation. First of all, I spent more than two weeks on a farm as a teenager, I don't know where you got the 2 weeks idea? Did you make it up? I have told this before, that I grew up on a farm from the time I was born until I entered college at age 18. I continued to live at home for my first 2 years of college. Not only did I grow up and work on my family's own farm, I also worked summers for a bigger farmer for several summers, in between high school and college years, to earn money for college. He farmed about 2,000 acres, including raising wheat, hay, and other crops, plus running some livestock. My parents, or parent now, still own their farm, and I still have done some work with the tractor around there occasionally the past few years, such as brushhogging weeds, etc.

So I ask you, how much time have you actually spent on a farm or farms, what kind of farms were they, and what did you do? As you have claimed to have spent "a hell of a lot more time on a farm," I am hoping for an honest and detailed answer that details just how you did that.

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@talk72000,

WORDS OF WISDOM FROM OUR FOUNDING FATHERS
“If ever a time should come, when vain and aspiring men should possess the highest seats in government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin.” -- Samuel Adams

“The powers of the federal government are enumerated; it can only operate in certain cases; it has legislative powers on defined and limited objects, beyond which it cannot extend its jurisdiction.” – James Madison

“When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.” -- Benjamin Franklin

They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty or safety.” -- Benjamin Franklin

“Remember democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide.” -- John Adams

“To be prepared for war is one of the most effectual means of preserving peace.” -- George Washington

Remember, the USA is not a democracy in which a majority of the citizens governed by the federal government can dictate to the minority. The USA is a representative, constitutional republic in which the powers of the majority of the citizens governed by the federal government are strictly limited.

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It appears that President Obama's overseas trip hasn't been much of a success. From evading clear answers to topical issues in India; an ill-conceived "homecoming" in Indonesia; to being spurned by the Koreans on a much-touted trade deal and being scolded by European Leaders for debasing our currency at the G-20 , he hasn't got much in the way of his previously accustomed adoring press coverage lately.

Increasingly he appears ill-prepared, amateurish and in far over his head. He looks like an untested, inexperienced, but well-spoken community organizer suddenly having to deal with real issues, real disagreements and real consequences. But wait ! That's exactly what he is.

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@georgeob1,

georgeob, To be fair, anybody who goes through life experiences as he has to end up looking like a chump is a lesson most of us never experience. How and why he failed can be talked about for generations to come, but I don't think anybody has a clear answer. Balanced against what he has accomplished during his first two years in a crushed economy, and passing universal health care were no small feat when the GOP turned into the No Party. The man deserves some credit for helping our economy survive one of the worst economic crisis of our time.

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@cicerone imposter,

Perhaps you would like to cite something he did that helped in the recovery.

The TARP program was in place when he took office. As for the rest you should consider the fact that this was not the deepest or even the most sudden recession we have experienced in the last few decades. However our recovery from it is, by a wide margin, the slowest and most prolonged. A good case can be made for the proposition that his ill-timed attempts to install a Europeran style social welfare system here (just as they are learning to trim back theirs) ; the creation of a vast expanse of Federal regulatory powers in areas from banking to corporate governance, consumer affairs; energy policy and health care; payoffs to labor unions which are draining government finances at all levels; the rapid increase in the national debt he has created, which treatens to suck the liquidity out of our economy for decades to come, and more recently to the debasing of our currency through FED bond purchases - have all contributed significantly to paralyzing business investment and beneficial economic activity throughout the country, thereby prolonging the recession.

His ass-kissing and apologizing to the rest of the world doesn't seem to have gotten him (or us) very much either.

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@georgeob1,

georgeob, If you have been reading any of my posts about the economy, you would know that there was no option about saving our banking system. I never denied that Bush was the one who signed TARP, but it was sloppily done without much in terms of regulations on how that money was to be used by the banks. I have criticized how TARP was used to increase liquidity in the past.

What Obama did was sign the Stim Bill that most economists say and agree that it prevented a deeper financial crisis.

You may disagree, but you haven't presented anything to refute the economist's conclusions.

If you really want to talk about what and who created the Great Recession, it started in December 2007 when GW Bush was at the helm.

I'll be more than happy to list some of the reasons our country ran into this financial crisis - during GW Bush's presidency - if you wish. I've mentioned many of them in that past, but will be happy to provide a quick list.

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@georgeob1,

georgeob1 wrote:

A good case can be made for the proposition that his ill-timed attempts to install a Europeran style social welfare system here (just as they are learning to trim back theirs) ;

the creation of a vast expanse of Federal regulatory powers in areas from banking to corporate governance, consumer affairs;

energy policy and health care;

payoffs to labor unions which are draining government finances at all levels;

the rapid increase in the national debt he has created, which threatens to suck the liquidity out of our economy for decades to come, and more recently to the debasing of our currency through FED bond purchases - have all contributed significantly to paralyzing business investment and beneficial economic activity throughout the country, thereby prolonging the recession.

His ass-kissing and apologizing to the rest of the world doesn't seem to have gotten him (or us) very much either.

The man is not qualified to be manager, CEO or president of anything... Obama may be qualified to be a probationary manager in training at a McDonald's, but that's about it.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

If you really want to talk about what and who created the Great Recession, it started in December 2007 when GW Bush was at the helm.

It started in December 2007 while George Bush was at the helm and the newly elected Democrat Congress was in the engine room, and those running the engine room refused to comply with the helmman's request to reduce the excessive burning of the ship's resources in order to avoid the ship more rapidly decelerating.

When Bush, the old helmman, was replaced by Obama, the new helmman, Obama did not choose to request reduction of the excessive burning of the ship's resources. Instead he requested an increase in the excessive burning of the ship's resources. The ship then began to more rapidly decelerate.

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@okie,

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Get the federal government out of the way, and we can once again be competitive. Without a federal department of education, we grew into the most technologically advanced and educated nation on the face of the earth. We can do it again, without a nanny state.

School boards are local. Parents are more local still. There are people on school boards who think music, art, recess, science and gym are unnecessary. There are parents who do not want their children taught science.

The federal government has little to nothing to do with schools, despite there having been a department or office of education for more than a century.

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@cicerone imposter,

Every day, I watch students with twisted limbs navigate the halls where I teach. Their endurance and their strength as they attempt to overcome their inadequate bodies is amazing.

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@okie,

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You can put horses in cowbarns and you can also put cows in horsebarns.

Not if you want to sell raw milk.

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@talk72000,

I understand GWB plagiarized a good deal of "his" book.

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From wiki:

Loose hay was taken to an area designated for storage—usually a slightly raised area for drainage — and built into a hay stack. The stack was made waterproof as it was built (a task of considerable skill) and the hay would compress under its own weight and cure by the release of heat from the residual moisture in the hay and from the compression forces. The stack was fenced from the rest of the paddock in a rick yard, and often thatched or sheeted to keep it dry. When needed slices of hay would be cut using a hay-knife and fed out to animals each day.
On some farms the loose hay was stored in a shed or barn, normally in such a way that it would compress down and cure. Hay could be stored in a specially designed barn with little internal structure to allow more room for the hay. Alternatively an upper storey of a cow-shed or stable was used, with hatches in the floor to allow hay to be thrown down into hay-racks below.
Depending on region, the term "hay rick" could refer to the machine for cutting hay, the hay stack or the wagon used to collect the hay.

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@okie,

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Barns can be used for both, parados. You can put horses in cowbarns and you can also put cows in horsebarns.

Which only goes to show how little you know.
How many horse barns have milking parlors?

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@okie,

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By the way, none of the employers there have more than 15 employees, and none of them do a retail business.

If the building has different tenants then it is covered under ADA.

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@ican711nm,

ican711nm wrote:

cicerone imposter wrote:
If you really want to talk about what and who created the Great Recession, it started in December 2007 when GW Bush was at the helm.

It started in December 2007 while George Bush was at the helm and the newly elected Democrat Congress was in the engine room, and those running the engine room refused to comply with the helmman's request to reduce the excessive burning of the ship's resources in order to avoid the ship more rapidly decelerating.

When Bush, the old helmman, was replaced by Obama, the new helmman, Obama did not choose to request reduction of the excessive burning of the ship's resources. Instead he requested an increase in the excessive burning of the ship's resources. The ship then began to more rapidly decelerate.

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