Obama '08?

@H2O MAN,

How many voted in the last election for the fundamental transformation of this country? Isn't that what the Tea Party was all about?

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@parados,

parados wrote:

How many voted in the last election for the fundamental transformation of this country?
Isn't that what the Tea Party was all about?

I believe the T.E.A. party is all about getting back to being a
Constitutional Republic and they are up front and honest about it.

Obama is just the opposite. He does not want anything to do with preserving
our Constitutional Republic and he is dishonest about his true intentions.

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@H2O MAN,

I would argue that it is the TEA party that is dishonest about it's true intentions.

But then I can point out how they don't know things.
For instance. They don't seem to know that Medicare is government run health care.
If they truly wanted to get rid of government run health care then they would be against Medicare. So.. obviously they are hiding their true intentions.

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@parados,

Our president does not want anything to do with preserving our
Constitutional Republic and he is dishonest about his true intentions.

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@H2O MAN,

H2O MAN wrote:

parados wrote:

How many voted in the last election for the fundamental transformation of this country?
Isn't that what the Tea Party was all about?

I believe the T.E.A. party is all about getting back to being a
Constitutional Republic and they are up front and honest about it.
Obama is just the opposite. He does not want anything to do with preserving
our Constitutional Republic and he is dishonest about his true intentions.

Agreed!!
To be precise about what Obama wants, I honestly don't know, as the man is not open and clear about what he wants, and he is conflicted in so many ways. We are left to guess at what he wants by interpreting and connecting the dots found in his books, his speeches, the debates, his associations and appointments, his brief senatorial and presidential career, and who he seemingly admires. I am not sure at all that Obama himself knows what he wants. Not surprising, given his conflicted childhood and past.

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@okie,

so... tell us okie..
Is the TEA party for or against government run health care?
Or are they conflicted which makes them dishonest?

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@parados,

Pay attention Parados, we are talking about conflicted and dishonest OBAMA

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@H2O MAN,

We are talking about your standard of what is "dishonest". Either you have a standard or you don't. If you don't then your discussion about Obama is complete BS. If you do have a standard then as a supporter of the TEA party you are supporting a dishonest organization.

But then we have come to expect nothing else from you squirt. You have no intellectual honesty just like ican and okie.

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@okie,

okie wrote:

H2O MAN wrote:
parados wrote:

How many voted in the last election for the fundamental transformation of this country?
Isn't that what the Tea Party was all about?

I believe the T.E.A. party is all about getting back to being a
Constitutional Republic and they are up front and honest about it.
Obama is just the opposite. He does not want anything to do with preserving
our Constitutional Republic and he is dishonest about his true intentions.
Agreed!!
To be precise about what Obama wants, I honestly don't know, as the man is not open and clear about what he wants, and he is conflicted in so many ways. We are left to guess at what he wants by interpreting and connecting the dots found in his books, his speeches, the debates, his associations and appointments, his brief senatorial and presidential career, and who he seemingly admires. I am not sure at all that Obama himself knows what he wants. Not surprising, given his conflicted childhood and past.

Outstanding reply.

People should really take a hard look at what makes Obama tick and act the way he does.

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@H2O MAN,

H2O MAN wrote:

People should really take a hard look at what makes Obama tick and act the way he does.

That is an understatement. Sadly, I think the mainstream press has failed miserably at really examining this guy and what makes him tick, from the first day he entered the political scene. It has been left up to the alternate media, which has done great work, and then as a result of that, the mainstream press has spent much time trying to discredit them and their work. I think their motivation is largely because they are offended at anyone else taking their ratings and their business, and they also see themselves as elites at what they supposedly do. That is why they hate so viciously the Limbaughs, Becks, and Hannitys of the world.

Eventually however, I think everyone, including the press elites, will have to admit that Obama is incompetent and conflicted, and perhaps even a very unhinged personality. I get the impression there are strong hints of that now. But when so much emotional energy has been invested into this guy, it is going to be a long and difficult process for them to really admit the truth of it. They will hang onto any shred of hope for the guy to come through. That includes the cyclops and cicerone imposter types on this forum. As for parados, I think he may be beyond any hope.

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@okie,

okie, You're using a whole lot of generalities about Obama, but you fail the detail test. Provide evidence of your charges, not innuendos.

Have you studied psychology or psychiatry?

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter, Parados, Cyclo etc... continue to fail the common sense test.

Have any of them ever applied common sense to any subject being discussed here?

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@cicerone imposter,

All you need is some common sense, as H2OMAN mentions, not a degree in psychology or psychiatry. You also use generalities all the time, ci. This is an opinion forum, okay? You are free to keep your opinion. I have reasons for all of my opinions, as you also seem to believe for yours.

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@okie,

okie wrote:

H2O MAN wrote:
People should really take a hard look at what makes Obama tick and act the way he does.

That is an understatement. Sadly, I think the mainstream press has failed miserably at really examining this guy and what makes him tick, from the first day he entered the political scene.

Eventually however, I think everyone, including the press elites, will have to admit that Obama is incompetent and conflicted, and perhaps even a very unhinged personality. I get the impression there are strong hints of that now.

The mainstream press has failed the American people - that's a fact.

Growing numbers of people that once supported Obama have secretly admitted to themselves that Obama is incompetent and conflicted, and perhaps even a very unhinged personality.
These same people are ashamed to go public with their true feelings because they fear retribution from fellow liberals that don't get it.

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@okie,

Please show me where I have used "generalities" to make a point?

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

Please show me where I have used "generalities" to make a point?

cicerone imposter wrote:

okie, I know you're too stupid to understand what kind of impact that will have on our future economy, but that's to be expected from a one buggy brain like yours.

As demonstrated in the above, you not only generalize all the time, you are also wrong.

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@okie,

That's not generalization, okie. That's concise and to the point.
I have challenged most of what you post on a2k - in detail. Can't do any more than that~!

BTW, what we were talking about was on the Pell Grant cuts being recommended. You support the cuts, and I don't.

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@cicerone imposter,

I have not studied this issue, ci, but a quick web search reveals we are talking billions here. I would ask, why do we need Pell Grants when we already have a student loan program wherein the students can pay the loans back if they really want to go to school. By the way, I never borrowed a dime, and I paid for my entire college by working during the summer and living at home so I could save the money. I admit college is more expensive now, but you don't have to attend Harvard.

It seems to me that Pell Grants are prone to the liklihood of much waste and even corruption. Why do we need them? After all, if any kid wants to attend college, there are ways to do it. Private charities could step to the plate as well.

If we are going to solve this budget crisis, everything needs to be on the table. And just as I predict, when specific cuts are suggested, the whiners for any program are going to come out of the woodwork.

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@okie,

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I admit college is more expensive now, but you don't have to attend Harvard.

I worked and took loans to cover my college costs as well, back in the 90's, so I understand where you are coming from.

But let's be real about the cost these days. Tuition and fees alone for the University of California is $12,000 a year. That doesn't count housing, food or books. It's almost impossible to work your way through college these days, and the burden of the loans when the student graduates can be very high - which inhibits these people from spending that money on private areas of the economy for a long time afterward. My wife and I put over 1k a month into our student loans; I'm not complaining, our life is great, but that money could all be going to local businesses, to a car, to lots of other things.

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It seems to me that Pell Grants are prone to the liklihood of much waste and even corruption.

Corruption? How do you figure? You ask for them on your Financial Aid paperwork and they are generally handed out based on financial need. Do you know something about Pell Grants that I don't?

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Private charities could step to the plate as well.

Maybe they could, but they don't.

Cycloptichorn

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@okie,

okie, Why is it that everything you see are always negative? No matter in what human endeavor, there will always be fraud whether it's commerce or government operations. That's because human greed takes over people's brain, and lose the perspective of honesty, ethics, and morals.

It takes some government intervention to prevent fraud, and that's the reason a justice system is needed no matter where one lives in this world.

Pell Grants will encourage more students to attend college; this is a necessary foundation for any growing economy. Without it, our economy cannot remain competitive in the world marketplace.

Pell Grants has more value today than any time in our past, because China and India will surpass our economy (sooner) if nothing is done. Our saving grace for now is the simple fact that our economy is diversified into many areas of goods and services based in most developed and developing countries to compete.

Any short-sightedness to cut educational funding is the wrong track to take.

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