Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Wed 10 Nov, 2010 10:25 am
@okie,
Quote:
P.S. If you think Obama has not been a bad president, I think you are the one out of touch.


The voters don't agree with you.

Out of Reagan, Clinton, and Obama, who do you think had the lowest approval at this point of their term? Who had the highest?

Cycloptichorn
snood
 
  2  
Wed 10 Nov, 2010 11:52 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:

Quote:
P.S. If you think Obama has not been a bad president, I think you are the one out of touch.


The voters don't agree with you.

Out of Reagan, Clinton, and Obama, who do you think had the lowest approval at this point of their term? Who had the highest?

Cycloptichorn


Cyclo, are you operating under the supposition that Okie is going to acknowledge truth or fact or reason? Do we need to splash you with cold water?
BumbleBeeBoogie
 
  1  
Wed 10 Nov, 2010 11:54 am
@snood,
I have a bucket full of water when you are ready.

BBB
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Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Wed 10 Nov, 2010 12:01 pm
@snood,
I'm gonna beat the stupid out of him with facts sooner or later. He's already come around on the necessity of raising taxes on the upper classes, so I think he's got some potential.

Cycloptichorn
ican711nm
 
  -1  
Wed 10 Nov, 2010 01:08 pm
RIGHTIST LIBERAL ANALYSIS OF ALTERNATIVES TO LEFTIST LIBERAL CLAIMS
Quote:

http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=19990&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=DPD
Net Neutrality: Job-Killing Zombie

Politician swear they are laser-focused on creating job, but it is seemingly impossible to kill wrong-headed policies that undercut growth and jobs, say Douglas Holtz-Eakin, president of the American Action Forum, and Sam Batkins, the coordinator of regulatory issues at American Action Forum.

For two examples, consider health care reform and net neutrality.
• The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act had more funerals than Tom Sawyer -- but the legislation nonetheless became law, despite the dire policy implications for jobs, federal spending and health care.
• Costly new regulatory burdens on business, higher insurance costs for employers and $500 billion in new taxes are an immediate threat to jobs in the United States.

Many now predict that "net neutrality" -- a Washington power grab that seeks to dictate how private telecoms prioritize use of limited bandwidth -- is walking the Green Mile. As Congress scurried to finish its legislative business before returning to the campaign trail, the compromise net neutrality legislation died in committee, say Holtz-Eakin and Batkins.
• But its death gives the Federal Communications Commission another chance to regulate the bandwidth decisions of private companies.
• This could spell death to the thousands of jobs created each year by the billions of dollars private telecoms spend on infrastructure.
• Imposing net neutrality could reduce broadband expansion and cost the U.S. economy upwards of 300,000 jobs, according to a new Phoenix Center study.
• Just a 10 percent decline in IT infrastructure investment, Brett Swanson of Entropy Economics found, could eliminate 502,000 jobs and $62 billion in gross domestic product growth.

The next Congress should put net neutrality and other job-killers in their rightful place: the ashbin of discredited policy ideas.

Source: Douglas Holtz-Eakin and Sam Batkins, "Net Neutrality: Job-Killing Zombie," October 27, 2010.



Quote:

http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=19992&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=DPD
Two Percent Just Won't Do

The economy grew at a 2 percent rate in the third quarter, but with unemployment at 9.6 percent, gross domestic product (GDP) growth of 2 percent just doesn't cut it, says Investor's Business Daily (IBD).

Many new reports have detected "improvement" in the economy in the July-September period. Indeed, the GDP number was a little better than the 1.7 percent posted for the second quarter. A closer look, however, provides little comfort.
• While real GDP grew by an annual rate of $66 billion, nearly two-thirds of that -- $47 billion -- came from businesses restocking depleted inventories.
• And while it's true that consumer spending increased at the fastest rate since late 2006, all that demand was satisfied entirely with imports, adding little to U.S. output.
• Worse, business investment, though improved, remains weak -- thanks to fear over the impact of ObamaCare, a disastrous finance overhaul law, a growing $1.75 trillion regulatory burden and the prospect of massive tax hikes on entrepreneurs and small businesses early next year.

The fact is, for us to climb out of our economic hole, the United States must grow 3 percent or more for a number of years. Three percent represents the nation's long-term growth potential -- defined as work force growth (about 1 percent) plus productivity growth (a bit over 2 percent).

There's a way to end this stagnation, says IBD.
• Germany is booming, with its jobless rate falling to the lowest level in decades, and Britain just announced a "surprise" jump of 3.2 percent in GDP at an annual rate.
• Why? Both have slashed government spending and are reaping the benefits in private-sector growth.
• The United States is taking a different tack, jacking up government spending by 21 percent in just two years.

If we don't change course soon, we may trade places with once-stagnant Europe -- and our economy will underperform for years.

Source: "Two Percent Just Won't Do," Investor's Business Daily, October 29, 2010.


Quote:

http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=19991&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=DPD
How to Cut $343 Billion from the Federal Budget

Federal spending is on an unsustainable path that risks disaster for America, says Brian Riedl, the Grover M. Hermann Research Fellow in Federal Budgetary Affairs in the Thomas A. Roe Institute for Economic Policy Studies at the Heritage Foundation.
• Runaway spending has increased annual federal budget deficits to unprecedented levels, adding $2.7 trillion to the national debt in the past two years alone, including a record $1.4 trillion deficit for fiscal year (FY) 2009 and a $1.3 trillion deficit for FY 2010.
• If Congress does nothing and simply continues existing taxing and spending policies, federal deficits will grow, reaching a projected $2 trillion deficit in just 10 years -- and even that assumes a return to peace and prosperity.
Soaring spending drives these dangerous deficits.
• By 2020, federal spending is set to soar to 26 percent of the gross domestic product (GDP), after having averaged 20 percent after World War II.
• Revenues will likely return to their post-World War II average of 18 percent of GDP by 2020, even if the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts are made permanent.

Available spending cuts for the new Congress total up to $343 billion. Many of the cuts fall into six areas:
• Empowering state and local governments.
• Consolidating duplicative programs.
• Privatization -- many current government functions could be performed more efficiently by the private sector.
• Targeting programs more precisely.
• Eliminating outdated and ineffective programs.
• Eliminating waste, fraud and abuse.

Implementing the $343 billion in recommended cuts would reduce the deficit by somewhat less than $343 billion because some recommendations would also reduce tax revenues, says Riedl.

Governing involves difficult choices, and Congress simply cannot continue to court long-term disaster for all merely to avoid short-term difficulties for some.

Source: Brian Riedl, "How to Cut $343 Billion from the Federal Budget," Heritage Foundation, October 28, 2010.


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http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=19994&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=DPD
Tax Breaks for the Wealthy Do Boost Economy

A political fight has erupted over the fate of the top income tax bracket rate and the tax rate on dividends and capital gains, say Alex Brill, a research fellow, and Chad Hill, a Jacobs Associate, at the American Enterprise Institute.

One particularly troubling idea that has emerged is summed up by a recent statement by President Obama, who argued, "These [high-income taxpayers] are folks who are less likely to spend the money, which is why economists don't think tax breaks for the wealthy would do much to boost the economy."

However, saving is not the practice of the wealthy stashing money under plump mattresses.
• Rather, when we save, we defer consumption to the future, allowing our savings to be invested in productive ways that lead to long-term economic growth.
• In short, my savings account is your investment fund.
• Our collective savings are the funds available for investing in stocks, bonds and other securities that allow businesses access to the capital they need to grow.
• Firms use these funds to start or expand businesses and to buy machinery and other physical capital.
The logic espoused by this spending-cult mentality denies the role of saving, or, at the very least, relegates it to the backseat.
• Because much of the savings that can drive investment and economic growth over time comes from the relatively small fraction of individuals in the top income tax bracket, permitting a tax increase on high-income earners would be a significant disincentive for savings.
• Alan Viard of the American Enterprise Institute recently cited Internal Revenue Service data for 2007 revealing that households with incomes above $200,000 received 47 percent of the taxable interest income, 60 percent of the dividends and a staggering 84 percent of the net capital gains reported on tax returns.

Consumer spending has its place, but it is not the answer to every economic question. By disparaging investment and in particular the taxpayers who account for most of that investment, Congress is biting the hand that feeds long-run economic growth, say Brill and Hill.

Source: Alex Brill and Chad Hill, "Tax Breaks for the Wealthy Do Boost Economy," Forbes, October 27, 2010.

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cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Wed 10 Nov, 2010 03:09 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Cyclo, Don't hold your breath believing that okie is consistent in his stance on anything. He'll be contradicting himself very soon; that I predict with confidence.
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okie
 
  1  
Wed 10 Nov, 2010 07:03 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:

Quote:
P.S. If you think Obama has not been a bad president, I think you are the one out of touch.
The voters don't agree with you.
Out of Reagan, Clinton, and Obama, who do you think had the lowest approval at this point of their term? Who had the highest?
Cycloptichorn
How come you did not include Bush? Again, you distort the truth when you claim the voters do not agree with me.

In fact, lets compare Bush and Obama, how about it? According to the following link, Bush's was still in the 60% range two years into his first term.
http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/info-presapp0605-31.html
Obama is below 50%, which is also lower than Bush I and even Nixon at the same stage of his presidency. Reagan was lower, but he rebounded later. It remains to be seen if Obama has any rebound to his presidency. My review of the data indicates that starting with Truman, JFK and Ike were the only two presidents that never got below 50% at any point.

Right now, Rasmussen has Obama with just 45% of voters at least somewhat approving of his presidency, while 54% disapprove. I think his lowest point in Rasmussen was about 41%, so he isn't far from his low right now.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

In regard to Reagan and Clinton, the site I posted, which I post again below, show them in the low forties 2 years into their term, which is not much different than Obama. Of course it depends upon which poll you use, but I am not ashamed to use Rasmussen, because he has one of the best track records of any of them.
http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/info-presapp0605-31.html



cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Wed 10 Nov, 2010 07:08 pm
@okie,
Sure, why not compare Obama to GW Bush. Bush got us involved in two wars, had one of the worst job creation since Hoover, ran our economy into the Great Recession, broke domestic and international laws (allowed torture), and lost many of our international allies.

All are welcome to vote GW Bush's record against Obama any day, 24/7.
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Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Wed 10 Nov, 2010 07:41 pm
@okie,
Quote:

How come you did not include Bush? Again, you distort the truth when you claim the voters do not agree with me.


But, they don't agree with you. Polling makes that clear - even your beloved Ras has him at the same levels of approval as other past, beloved presidents had at this point in their terms.

So why do you say that Obama is a 'failed president' - snort - but the others aren't, and that people agree with you? The data indicates that they DON'T agree with you. Is there just nothing inside you that reacts to inconsistencies with your position, at all?

Cycloptichorn
Advocate
 
  0  
Wed 10 Nov, 2010 08:20 pm
Obama's accomplishments over the past two years are legion. See:

http://whattheheckhasobamadonesofar.com
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Wed 10 Nov, 2010 09:05 pm
@Advocate,
Advocate, FYI, the GOP is talking about cutting Pell Grants.
okie
 
  2  
Wed 10 Nov, 2010 10:13 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
He is successful but unemployment is around 10% U3, and 17% U6? Get serious, cyclops. And the war in Afghanistan is not getting easier as it should be. The country is going broke. Now we have the health care debacle to contend with as well. Get serious.

I realize this is an opinion, but so is yours, so admit it, and you cannot deny the election results were largely a referendum on Obama and his friends in Congress. People are not satisfied with the way the country is going. The following shows that 63.2% think the country is on the wrong track. Proof is here: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/direction_of_country-902.html


okie
 
  2  
Wed 10 Nov, 2010 10:18 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Advocate, FYI, the GOP is talking about cutting Pell Grants.

Here we go again. When Republicans are elected, libs get hysterical and start claiming the people are going to be starved and punished by the Republicans not giving away money like its candy, like the Dems love to do in order to buy votes.
cicerone imposter
 
  0  
Wed 10 Nov, 2010 10:21 pm
@okie,
okie wrote:
Quote:
People are not satisfied with the way the country is going.


True! The people are unhappy, because a) they believe Obama increased their taxes, and b) blame the current economy on Obama.

If that's rational to you, it's only because you are too ignorant to understand economic disasters like the Great Recession that Bush got us into. It took Bush eight years to destroy our economy with the worst creation of new jobs, and that trend started before Obama took over the white house.
cicerone imposter
 
  0  
Wed 10 Nov, 2010 10:22 pm
@okie,
okie, I know you're too stupid to understand what kind of impact that will have on our future economy, but that's to be expected from a one buggy brain like yours.
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okie
 
  2  
Wed 10 Nov, 2010 10:30 pm
@cicerone imposter,
ci, I have a serious question for you. Are you capable of posting anything without calling people ignorant and stupid, or any number of variations of that? Laughing Laughing Laughing I think I know the answer, but I am curious what you think the answer is.
cicerone imposter
 
  0  
Wed 10 Nov, 2010 10:31 pm
@okie,
I calls em the way I sees em. Quit posting ignorant bull ****, and I'll stop.
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snood
 
  1  
Thu 11 Nov, 2010 07:30 am
I can't know how difficult it is to get things done from where he's sitting. I suspect that he wishes he had a clearer path to fulfilling some of the promises that now seem overly optimistic when viewed in the shadow of the real influence of special interest money and of Dems who care more about holding their jobs than what is right.

But I am definitely unhappy about hearing the news that Obama is backing off of ending the tax cuts for the rich, and backing off of his deadline for withdrawal from Afghanistan.
revelette
 
  1  
Thu 11 Nov, 2010 07:41 am
@snood,
According to an interview from Huffington post, he is backing off ending the tax cuts so that the middle class can keep their tax cuts in today's political climate but he hasn't changed his mind in regards to Afghanistan.

accept an across-the-board, temporary continuation of steep Bush-era tax cuts
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H2O MAN
 
  0  
Thu 11 Nov, 2010 08:51 am


How many of you would have voted for Obama if his election campaign
was centered around the fundamental transformation of this country?
 

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