Advocate
 
  1  
Thu 11 Nov, 2010 12:38 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Of course the GOP is for cutting Pell Grants. After all, they mainly benefit the less affluent.
mysteryman
 
  1  
Thu 11 Nov, 2010 12:54 pm
@Advocate,
Are they cutting Pell GRants, or reducing the rate of growth?
The President wants a 32% increase in Pell Grants, and the repubs are saying no to that.

That doesnt sound like cutting them, it sounds like not spending more.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Thu 11 Nov, 2010 01:17 pm
@mysteryman,
If that's the case, I'm in support of that increase.
H2O MAN
 
  0  
Thu 11 Nov, 2010 01:34 pm
Obama is incompetent and conflicted, and perhaps even a very
unhinged personality... why do people ignore this serious problem?
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Thu 11 Nov, 2010 01:42 pm
@H2O MAN,
Please detail for us where Obama is incompetent and conflicted?

ican711nm
 
  0  
Thu 11 Nov, 2010 01:45 pm
Quote:
"When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.” -- Benjamin Franklin

They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty or safety.” -- Benjamin Franklin

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H2O MAN
 
  0  
Thu 11 Nov, 2010 01:49 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Please detail for us where Obama is incompetent and conflicted?




CI, you make yourself out to be an intelligent person... are you telling
me you have not noticed how incompetent and conflicted Obama is?
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Thu 11 Nov, 2010 01:50 pm
@H2O MAN,
That's right! Please show us - if you can.

People like you are dime a dozen; you make claims you can't support.

This is a recent report from the WSJ:
Quote:
Obama Open to Tax-Cut Extension for Wealthy
Obama is open to accepting a temporary extension of Bush-era tax cuts for the wealthy to ensure the middle-class tax breaks are preserved, White House Deputy Press Secretary Bill Burton said.
H2O MAN
 
  0  
Thu 11 Nov, 2010 02:02 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

That's right! Please show us - if you can.

People like you are dime a dozen; you make claims you can't support.

This is a recent report from the WSJ:
Quote:
Obama Open to Tax-Cut Extension for Wealthy
Obama is open to accepting a temporary extension of Bush-era tax cuts for the wealthy to ensure the middle-class tax breaks are preserved, White House Deputy Press Secretary Bill Burton said.



Are you saying Obama has finally confessed that the Bush tax cuts
were applied to the middle-class as well as those that earn more?

That is breaking news.

Does this mean Obama will also extend the Bush tax cuts to the middle-class?
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H2O MAN
 
  0  
Thu 11 Nov, 2010 02:03 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

That's right! Please show us - if you can.

People like you are dime a dozen; you make claims you can't support.


I see, your self professed intelligence was just a smoke screen.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Thu 11 Nov, 2010 02:07 pm
@H2O MAN,
No. You made the claim, and it's up to you to explain it to us. You don't understand logic, do you?
H2O MAN
 
  -1  
Thu 11 Nov, 2010 02:09 pm
@cicerone imposter,
No CI, you're an idiot.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Thu 11 Nov, 2010 02:29 pm
@H2O MAN,
If I'm the idiot, why can't you support your own claims?
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okie
 
  1  
Thu 11 Nov, 2010 02:31 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Quote:
Corruption? How do you figure? You ask for them on your Financial Aid paperwork and they are generally handed out based on financial need. Do you know something about Pell Grants that I don't?Cycloptichorn
How do I figure? Easy. Its the federal government, and as you say, "they are generally handed out......"
Do I know something about Pell Grants that you don't? Apparently I do, as you cannot see the potential corruption in a government program. All you would have to do is do a simple web search to touch the tip of the proverbial iceberg: Here it is, as I predicted. Not a tough prediction, cyclops.
http://www.pogo.org/pogo-files/testimony/contract-oversight/co-fg-19980302.html
"Unfortunately, abuse of the Pell Grant Program has succeeded in funneling a large portion of these funds into the hands of ineligible students."
Lesson Number 1 to cyclops: Anytime the government is handing out money for anything, the crooks and scammers will find a way to get their grubby hands on the free money. Learn it, cyclops.
But instead of attacking waste and corruption, you would rather raise taxes on the honest and on the producers in this country, isn't that right?
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Thu 11 Nov, 2010 02:46 pm
@okie,
okie, First of all, did you know the Pell Grant fraud is a federal crime? That people still abuse the program doesn't mean they aren't caught and penalized.

As I've said often enough that all commercial and government transactions are prone to fraud; those are all federal crimes.

If you want to stop all fraud, we must cease all commercial and government transactions. Do you understand that?
Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Thu 11 Nov, 2010 02:48 pm
@okie,
okie wrote:

Quote:
Corruption? How do you figure? You ask for them on your Financial Aid paperwork and they are generally handed out based on financial need. Do you know something about Pell Grants that I don't?Cycloptichorn
How do I figure? Easy. Its the federal government, and as you say, "they are generally handed out......"
Do I know something about Pell Grants that you don't? Apparently I do, as you cannot see the potential corruption in a government program. All you would have to do is do a simple web search to touch the tip of the proverbial iceberg: Here it is, as I predicted. Not a tough prediction, cyclops.
http://www.pogo.org/pogo-files/testimony/contract-oversight/co-fg-19980302.html
"Unfortunately, abuse of the Pell Grant Program has succeeded in funneling a large portion of these funds into the hands of ineligible students."
Lesson Number 1 to cyclops: Anytime the government is handing out money for anything, the crooks and scammers will find a way to get their grubby hands on the free money. Learn it, cyclops.
But instead of attacking waste and corruption, you would rather raise taxes on the honest and on the producers in this country, isn't that right?


Did you read the end of that article?

Quote:
... are being swindled out of their futures simply because they were honest and those who would rob the government's pocketbook were not. This must not be allowed to continue. By providing for smoother government information sharing, this bill closes the loophole that has allowed fraud to run rampant. The Committee's proposed Federal Benefits Verification and Integrity Act is the major step toward a remedy that until now has been lacking.


The writer of your piece wasn't arguing against Pell Grants, but arguing that there should be greater regulation of the process of handing it out. Which is fine with me. But I doubt you'll find any more corruption for this than you do any program, be it a government one or a private one. People who are interested in scamming others for a living will never give up trying to do so, but that doesn't mean that the programs themselves are inherently corrupt or that they aren't good, necessary programs.

I'm surprised that you didn't respond to the other part of my post, which frankly is more relevant to the discussion. You are living in the past if you think that working your way through college and not relying on loans is a viable option these days.

Cycloptichorn
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Thu 11 Nov, 2010 03:01 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
From my observations, there's always been a need for Pell Grant type of funding for people who wish to go to college. When my siblings and I were growing up, our parents were never in any condition to help us with our college funding. We either borrowed money or worked ourselves through college.

I used a little of my veteran's benefits, but it wasn't enough to support my college expenses, so I worked and went to school.

Most of my nephews and nieces borrowed money to finish their education, and it took many years to pay off their loans.

In this economy where most parents are struggling to pay on a mortgage that's worth more than the equity, paying for the college education is not only difficult but impossible.

When we talk about our countries security, it also means retaining our competitive edge in this world economy by educating our children.

Some people are too short-sighted to see the obvious.
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H2O MAN
 
  -1  
Thu 11 Nov, 2010 03:16 pm
Obama is too short-sighted to see the obvious
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parados
 
  2  
Thu 11 Nov, 2010 04:35 pm
@okie,
Taxes lead to fraud.
Does that mean we shouldn't have taxes?

The military has more fraud than any other thing the government spends money on. Should we just stop paying any money for the military?
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Thu 11 Nov, 2010 04:54 pm
@parados,
Those questions to okie are too rational. I believe he lost "it" some years ago when he bought his news from FOX, and ignored the facts.
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