Obama '08?

Kind of a different issue surrounding Obama, but I find these articles interesting. It does seem logical to find out if presidential candidates are actual citizens or not.
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=225561
"Congress report concedes Obama eligibility unvetted
A congressional document posted on the Internet confirms no one – not Congress, not the states and not election officials – bothered to check Barack Obama's eligibility to be president, and that status remains undocumented to this day.....
The analysis by the Congressional Research Service, a research arm of the U.S. Congress, openly admits no one in the federal government, including Congress, ever asked to see Obama's long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate. It explains no one was required to do so. "

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=101492
"Senator calls for vetting of candidates' eligibility
GOP's Coburn likes plan to require birth certificates"

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wnd (World Net Daily) in its "reporting" encourages readers to send money, send money and send more money to them so they can pursue or not this spicious soup. Have you contributed, Okie?

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@okie,

World Net Daily..
Didn't they publish pictures of BatBoy.
I think they also claimed Cheney was a machine and not a real human.

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@realjohnboy,

No I have not. However, if anyone wishes to, it should be their right to do it, don't you agree?

By the way, why has Obama hired lawyers to block the release of some of his past, such as college records, and so on and so forth?

To be clear, I am not a birther, and I do not involve myself with this stuff daily, but I still find the Obama presidency one of the weirdest political occurrences in my lifetime. There remain so many strange twists to the man, his true politics, and who he really is. He remains a man shrouded in various degrees of mystery.

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I just saw this, which will provide some comic relief about the president and his mysterious past. Odd moment indeed!!! http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2010/11/odd-little-moment-at-the-ceo-meeting.html

"There was an odd little moment with Spice Jet founder Bhupendra Kansagra when President Obama spoke to CEOs Saturday in Mumbai.
Odd Little Moment at the CEO Meeting
MR. KANSAGRA: Thank you. Welcome, Mr. President, to India. As a fellow Kenyan, I’m very proud to see that you have made –
THE PRESIDENT: Made something of myself. (Laughter.)
MR. KANSAGRA: — India as the focus of your drive for exports out of the U.S.
Obviously the president is not a Kenyan. One supposes Mr. Kansagra meant “of Kenyan ancestry” or something.
- Jake Tapper"

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@parados,

Isn't that the kind of question one would ask a ten year old? Oh, yeah, he is ten years old.

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@okie,

okie wrote:

To be clear, I am not a birther, and I do not involve myself with this stuff daily,

declaring yourself "not a birther" doesn't liberate you your crazy paranoia. There's plenty of ways to demonstrate that without a brand like "birther."

Such as...

okie wrote:

but I still find the Obama presidency one of the weirdest political occurrences in my lifetime.

If a man getting democratically elected by a large margin is the "weirdest" thing you've seen in your lifetime, you're calibrated incorrectly.

Further...

okie wrote:

There remain so many strange twists to the man, his true politics, and who he really is. He remains a man shrouded in various degrees of mystery.

If the weirdest part of Obama's presidency isn't the irrational rumors that circulate (and that you personally perpetuate), then you're calibrated incorrectly.

The truth about Obama is quite simple, and in truth utterly unremarkable. The man isn't ultra liberal, and yet the right seems dead set on labeling him so far left he's a socialist or a marxist or a communist etc etc etc. The necessity it seems for many conservatives is to make the man somehow scary, and to impose false mystery and controversy about who he is, or rather as you ominously refer, who he really is. This has become a very important part of many conservative's defense. No matter the effort to dispel the utter lies made about Obama, your goal is to remain immaculately uninformed and in denial.

So, birther or not, you're ******* crazy or an idiot as long as you desperately cling to these frail threads of paranoia.

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@parados,

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So okie..
IF the police don't respond to either call and the thieves make off with all the possession of a rich man and a poor man, who lost more monetarily?

Are you so shallow minded that you think value of anything revolves around it s monetary worth? What about family keepsakes that may not only be valuable, but might have unmeasurable emotional or sentimental value? As far as I am concerned, my house is worth more to me than some rich guy's 10 million dollar mansion, and the same principle would apply to the contents of my house. The police and fire protection offered me for my possessions are worth just as much to me as they might be to a rich guy down the street or elsewhere. Face it, parados, your argument is shallow and without merit.

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@failures art,

failures art, I think anyone that voted for Obama was naive and dumb, to put it plainly, and hopefully a few of you have awakened from your trance? Part of the weirdness of this past election was how so many people could fall for such a phony and cheap politician with no experience, with radical ties and tendencies? It still makes no sense whatsoever. But I guess I confess to remembering how shocked I was the night of Clinton's election, as that made no sense to me either. I knew he was favored, but I thought when people actually pulled the lever, they might come to their senses.

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@okie,

Interesting okie. So if a X-dollar amount of money represented a toy (like a dressed up golf cart) to a wealthy person, but the same X-dollar amount represented a year's worth of rent or utilities, the money might have a greater sentimental value to the less fortunate?

Very interesting.

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@okie,

Shallow indeed! Even huge companies think in those terms. Their assets are worth millions - sometimes billions. If their assets are destroyed, that means many people will not have jobs, and they will not be able to produce the goods/products they once did. That in turn hurts the local economy and the reduced taxes all levels of government can collect. Yeah, shallow.

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@cicerone imposter,

And how much tax are those companies paying, ci?

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@okie,

According to the IRS, 60% don't pay anything.

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@okie,

Quote:

Are you so shallow minded that you think value of anything revolves around it s monetary worth?

Are you saying money has no value okie?

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@okie,

okie wrote:

failures art, I think anyone that voted for Obama was naive and dumb, to put it plainly, and hopefully a few of you have awakened from your trance? Part of the weirdness of this past election was how so many people could fall for such a phony and cheap politician with no experience, with radical ties and tendencies? It still makes no sense whatsoever. But I guess I confess to remembering how shocked I was the night of Clinton's election, as that made no sense to me either. I knew he was favored, but I thought when people actually pulled the lever, they might come to their senses.

I guess it would be fair to say then that you're out of tune since you're so "shocked."

I'm not "shocked" that the GOP had so many wins last week. That's how these things go. Where's the "sense" in being shocked?

Obama hasn't been a bad President, but he's certainly not the reformer people wanted. He's too moderate and attempting to be politically transcendent. This is of course doomed to fail because the GOP has ZERO interested in political transcendence and collaboration. The new face of the GOP is domination.

The democrats have offered many fig branches of compromise in the last 2 years. the GOP happily accepted these compromises, but refuses to acknowledge they exist when addressing the public. HCR was largely compromised to conservative desires, and the GOP narrative is that it was "jammed down the public's throat."

You're out of touch; out of tune.

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@failures art,

failures art wrote:

I guess it would be fair to say then that you're out of tune since you're so "shocked."

I am more traditional, and I believe in old things, like the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, and what they actually say. I do not follow fads or jump on bandwagons like Obama had, and I did not believe he was anything special. So in that sense, I was out of tune, but proud of it.

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I'm not "shocked" that the GOP had so many wins last week. That's how these things go. Where's the "sense" in being shocked?

I was not shocked either, because it helped confirm that people still have some sense of what is right. I was hoping for a bigger landslide, however.

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Obama hasn't been a bad President, but he's certainly not the reformer people wanted. He's too moderate and attempting to be politically transcendent. This is of course doomed to fail because the GOP has ZERO interested in political transcendence and collaboration. The new face of the GOP is domination.

The democrats have offered many fig branches of compromise in the last 2 years. the GOP happily accepted these compromises, but refuses to acknowledge they exist when addressing the public. HCR was largely compromised to conservative desires, and the GOP narrative is that it was "jammed down the public's throat."

You're out of touch; out of tune.
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I think Obama could have been much worse, if he had been able to do all that he would like to do. I think however that even he knew he should not try everything he wants now. The other factors at work is that he is not very good at managing what he wants, and has been a pretty bad failure. In fact, many of his more liberal supporters are disappointed he hasn't done more. Believe me though when I say it isn't because he hasn't wanted to. Hopefully, we can thwart any further damage to the country during the next 2 years.

P.S. If you think Obama has not been a bad president, I think you are the one out of touch.

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@okie,

Oh? What are all the "other" things Obama wanted to do in his first two years? Is that just another one of your empty statements?

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@okie,

"Obama isn't anything special" and yet he's shrouded in "mystery."

You're out of touch.

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@cicerone imposter,

cap and trade was one, ci.

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@okie,

WOW, you can actually name one? Did he accomplish anything during his first two years that a) saved our country from a financial meltdown, b) helped people without jobs get extended unemployment benefits, and c) cut middle class income taxes?

Do you think cap and trade was more important? How many presidents (of any country) do you know took over in a Great Recession, and helped curb the disaster to a more moderate level of pain for everyone in two years?

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