Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Fri 10 Sep, 2010 11:00 am
Quote:
Obama Defends Rights Of American Muslims: 'We Don't Differentiate Between Them And Us -- It's Just Us'
Jillian Rayfield | September 10, 2010, 12:55PM

President Obama concluded his press conference today with a statement on the importance of protecting the rights of American Muslims. "We don't differentiate between them and us," he said. "It's just us. And that is a principle that I think is going to be very important for us to sustain."

Obama was asked about the controversial Park51 Islamic center, and said: "I think I've been pretty clear on my position here. And that is: This country stands for the proposition that all men and women are created equal, that they have certain inalienable rights, and one of those inalienable rights is to practice their religion freely."

"What that means," he continued, "is that if you could build a church on a site, you could build a synagogue on a site, if you could build a Hindu temple on a site, then you should be able to build a mosque on the site."

"We've got millions of Muslim Americans, our fellow citizens in this country," Obama said. "They're going to school with our kids. They're our neighbors. They're our friends. They're our coworkers. And when we start acting as if their religion is somehow offensive, what are we saying to them?"

He continued that there are also Muslims fighting in Afghanistan: "They're out there putting their lives on the line for us, and we've got to make sure that we are crystal clear for our sakes and their sakes -- they are Americans, and we honor their service."


http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/09/obama-defends-rights-of-american-muslims-we-dont-differentiate-between-them-and-us----its-just-us.php?ref=fpblg

Kudos to Obama! He is perfectly correct.

Cycloptichorn
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cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Fri 10 Sep, 2010 11:03 am
@okie,
Well, okie, you've been bizarre for your whole life on these boards, and we still try to communicate with you! I find that amazing also! LOL
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JTT
 
  0  
Fri 10 Sep, 2010 11:38 am
@okie,
Quote:
I never thought I would see the day in America when people who consider themselves smart are praising the likes of Fidel Castro. this forum has gotten so bizarre as to be nothing short of amazing, and extremely disappointing as well to see fellow Americans express such anti-American and anti-liberty views.


You're so full of the propaganda, Okie that you can't see past your own pointy nose which only grows with each tale you tell.

Exactly what FACTS are you having a problem with? When Cuba was controlled by the USA, the people were brutalized, money and resources were stolen by Batista and the USA. And this is hardly the exception; the same has happened throughout the years with each and every Latin American country.

You should be ashamed that you constantly praise the US when its history is filled with rapacious behavior, not to mention numerous war crimes, instances of mass murder, and torture.

Look at how Castro lives. His manner of dress is hardly fancy. He doesn't doesn't flit around the globe spending his country's money on himself.

Quote:

The Miami Herald
October 8, 2000

Castro's Family

While they live comfortably, compared to the grinding
shortages faced by most Cubans, they are under
strict orders to avoid ostentatious behavior and live
austerely, far from the limelight, acquaintances say.

``They don't dress any better than anyone else,'' said
Castro's daughter, Alina Fernández, now living in
Spain. ``On the contrary, they are required to at least
project an image of austerity for the rest of the
Cubans.''

Added exile author Norberto Fuentes: ``The most
avaricious cabinet minister lives no better than the
average Cuban in Miami. He has one car, not two. An
air conditioner in the car? No air conditioner.''

Unlike other Latin dictators, he promotes no cult of
personality.

Most Latin American dictators have sought to glorify
themselves. The Dominican Republic's Rafaél Trujillo
renamed his nation's capital city and highest mountain
after himself, and Paraguay's Alfredo Stroessner put
up huge posters of himself around Asunción streets.

http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/fidel/castro-family.htm

okie
 
  0  
Fri 10 Sep, 2010 02:09 pm
@JTT,
JTT wrote:
Look at how Castro lives. His manner of dress is hardly fancy. He doesn't doesn't flit around the globe spending his country's money on himself.

Quote:

The Miami Herald
October 8, 2000

Castro's Family

While they live comfortably, compared to the grinding
shortages faced by most Cubans, they are under
strict orders to avoid ostentatious behavior and live
austerely, far from the limelight, acquaintances say.

``They don't dress any better than anyone else,'' said
Castro's daughter, Alina Fernández, now living in
Spain. ``On the contrary, they are required to at least
project an image of austerity for the rest of the
Cubans.''

Added exile author Norberto Fuentes: ``The most
avaricious cabinet minister lives no better than the
average Cuban in Miami. He has one car, not two. An
air conditioner in the car? No air conditioner.''

Unlike other Latin dictators, he promotes no cult of
personality.

Most Latin American dictators have sought to glorify
themselves. The Dominican Republic's Rafaél Trujillo
renamed his nation's capital city and highest mountain
after himself, and Paraguay's Alfredo Stroessner put
up huge posters of himself around Asunción streets.

http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/fidel/castro-family.htm



And I am now supposed to also believe as you apparently do, that Castro is one wonderful guy? And he promotes no cult of personality, I am supposed to believe that? You have to be kidding?

So because Castro lives austerely, it is okay that other Cubans live with "grinding shortages," and that it makes it okay that thousands of Cubans have died from the actions of Castro, many of them as political prisoners executed by Castro. I am glad to be enlightened, I can now believe that Castro is one wonderful guy. This forum never ceases to amaze me at what can be learned. After all, a lowly okie I am, as ignorant as they come, I still believe that communism is an evil system and I still believe in freedom and liberty and the Declaration of Independence, all outmoded ideas. Thanks JTT, for the enlightenment. Thanks to whoever educated you to these wonderful revelations, I am guessing it might have been some really smart elitist professors at some university, probably not in Oklahoma? After all, all okies are ignorant hicks and rednecks, right?
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Fri 10 Sep, 2010 02:29 pm
@okie,
okies = rednecks; seems plausible.
ican711nm
 
  -2  
Fri 10 Sep, 2010 02:31 pm
Quote:

http://www.mega.nu:8080/ampp/rummel/com.tab1.gif
TABLE 1 {a}
COMMUNIST DEMOCIDE
REGIME..................................YEARS...............DEMOCIDE.......ANNUAL RATE %
...
Cuba........................................1959-87....................73,000..............0.028
...
SUBTOTALS ................................1900-87.........106,267,000...........0.477
...
{a} From R.J. Rummel, Death by Government Genocide and Mass Murder in the Twentieth Century, (Transaction Publishers, 1994)
...
okie
 
  -1  
Fri 10 Sep, 2010 03:00 pm
@ican711nm,
Hey ican, can you believe the liberal jokers here are openly praising Fidel Castro? I never thought I would see the day that one American would do that. Is our educational system that bad? I knew it was bad, but that bad?

I just thought of something. Does Obama still continue the embargo? Whats up with that anyway?
parados
 
  4  
Fri 10 Sep, 2010 03:16 pm
@okie,
I'm just curious when okie is going to apologize to me for saying I lied about him saying "impeach Obama".

http://able2know.org/topic/71145-1371#post-3715816
okie wrote:

IMPEACH OBAMA.
JTT
 
  1  
Fri 10 Sep, 2010 03:26 pm
@okie,
Quote:
and that it makes it okay that thousands of Cubans have died from the actions of Castro, many of them as political prisoners executed by Castro.


Sources, Okie, not that US propaganda that is delivered to you on a daily basis.

Wanna make a bet, right now, that the number who have died under Castro is small compared to those who died under Batista/the USA.

I don't know how you have the temerity to stand up here and complain about Castro when your own government is responsible for 3 million Vietnamese, some 2/4 of a million Laotians, same for Cambodians ??, 40,ooo or so Nicaraguans, 800,000 Indonesians, the list adds up to somewhere around six or seven million and you are whining about Castro.

Half a century of terrorist activities supported and launched at Cuba by the US governments and you're whining about Castro.

Quote:
After all, a lowly okie I am, as ignorant as they come, I still believe that communism is an evil system and I still believe in freedom and liberty and the Declaration of Independence, all outmoded ideas.


No, you don't believe in the least in freedom and liberty and the Declaration of Independence. That's abundantly clear because you sit here and regurgitate the drivel that has seeped into that melon that sits on your shoulders but you care not at all about the millions who have had their freedom and liberty, their lives taken from them by various US governments over the last century.

Quote:
Thanks to whoever educated you to these wonderful revelations, I am guessing it might have been some really smart elitist professors at some university, probably not in Oklahoma? After all, all okies are ignorant hicks and rednecks, right?


No, I don't think that all those from OK are ignorant hicks but you sure go out of your way to establish that you are an ignorant hick. Study of any subject, Okie, goes far beyond simply accepting the neat simple platitudes handed to you in grade school.

John Stockwell is probably as conservative as you. But he decided that the immoral and illegal actions of the US governments he worked under were not something that moral sane individuals should support. He was the top ranking CIA to pull the plug. He received a Medal of Merit before he resigned.

Quote:


I left the CIA, I decided that the American people needed to know what we'd done in Angola, what we'd done in Vietnam. I wrote my book. I was fortunate - I got it out. It was a best-seller. A lot of people read it. I was able to take my story to the American people. Got on 60 minutes, and lots and lots of other shows.

I testified to the Congress and then I began my education in earnest, after having been taught to fight communists all my life. I went to see what communists were all about. I went to Cuba to see if they do in fact eat babies for breakfast. And I found they don't. I went to Budapest, a country that even national geographic admits is working nicely. I went to Jamaica to talk to Michael Manley about his theories of social democracy.

I went to Grenada and established a dialogue with Maurice Bishop and Bernard Cord and Phyllis Cord, to see - these were all educated people, and experienced people - and they had a theory, they had something they wanted to do, they had rationales and explanations - and I went repeatedly to hear them. And then of course I saw the U.S., the CIA mounting a covert action against them, I saw us orchestrating our plan to invade the country. 19 days before he was killed, I was in Grenada talking to Maurice Bishop about these things, these indicators, the statements in the press by Ronald Reagan, and he and I were both acknowledging that it was almost certain that the U.S. would invade Grenada in the near future.

I read as many books as I could find on the subject - book after book after book. I've got several hundred books on the shelf over my desk on the subject of U.S. national security interests. And by the way, I urge you to read. In television you get capsules of news that someone else puts together what they want you to hear about the news. In newspapers you get what the editors select to put in the newspaper. If you want to know about the world and understand, to educate yourself, you have to get out and dig, dig up books and articles for yourself. Read, and find out for yourselves. As you'll see, the issues are very, very important.

I also was able to meet the players, the people who write, the people who have done studies, people who are leading different situations. I went to Nicaragua a total of 7 times. This was a major covert action. It lasted longer and evolved to be bigger than what we did in Angola. It gave me a chance, after running something from Washington, to go to a country that was under attack, to talk to the leadership, to talk to the people, to look and see what happens when you give white phosporous or grenades or bombs or bullets to people, and they go inside a country, to go and talk to the people, who have been shot, or hit, or blown up....

We're talking about 10 to 20 thousand covert actions [the CIA has performed since 1961]. What I found was that lots and lots of people have been killed in these things.... Some of them are very, very bloody.





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okie
 
  0  
Fri 10 Sep, 2010 04:48 pm
@parados,
parados wrote:

I'm just curious when okie is going to apologize to me for saying I lied about him saying "impeach Obama".

http://able2know.org/topic/71145-1371#post-3715816
okie wrote:

IMPEACH OBAMA.


You are right, parados, I forgot about that one. I probably had a particularly sour day after reading all of the lousy things Obama was doing, and went all the way to say he should be impeached. My apologies there.

As I've told ican lately however, I think we would be better served just to gain the numbers in Congress and neutralize his power to enact bad legislation, and then vote him out 2 years from now. If some really compelling specifics are proven as grounds for impeachment, I am allowed to adjust my opinion. I guess I am still allowed that in America?
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ican711nm
 
  -1  
Fri 10 Sep, 2010 05:11 pm
@okie,
Yes, okie, I believe the liberal jokers here are openly praising Fidel Castro! Yes, I thought I would see the day that American Leftist Liberal jokers would do that and praise Ceasar Chev as well! Yes, our educational system is indeed that bad! Actually, its worse.

My grandkids regularly report to me those actions by their teachers that infuriate them the most.

Perhaps I have an advantage of having read:
"You Don't Need A Weatherman To Know Which Way The Wind is Blowing."
by Karen Asbley, Bill Ayers, Bernadine Dorn, John Jacobs, Jeff Jones, Garry Long, Home Machtinger, Jim Mellen, Terry Robbins, Mark Rudd and Steve Tappis.

Currently I only have my hardcopy. It was written June 18, 1969. It's main topics are:
I. International Revolution
II. What Is The Black Colony
III, The Struggle For Socialist Self-Determination
IV. Black Liberation Means Revolution
V. Anti-Imperialist Revolution And The United States
VI. International Strategy
VII.The Revolutionary Youth Movement: Class Analysis
VIII. Why A Revolutionary Youth Movement
IX. Imperialism Is The Issue
X. Neighborhood-Based Citywide Youth Movement
XI. The RYM [Revolutionary Youth Movement] And The Pigs
XII. Repression And Revolution
XIII. The Need For A Revolutionary Party

Don't forget at close to that same time Saul Alinsky said and wrote:
Quote:
The radical is not a reformer of the system but its would-be destroyer;
The revolutionary’s purpose is to undermine the system;
The radical is building his own kingdom, a kingdom of heaven on earth;
The radical underrmines the system by taking from the haves and giving it to the have nots;
The most basic principle for radicals is lie to opponents;
The issue is never the issue;
The issue is always the revolution;
The radical organizer does not have a fixed truth—truth to him is relative and changing;
The stated cause is never the real cause, but only an occasion to advance the real cause;
The real cause is the accumulation of power to make the revolution.
cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Fri 10 Sep, 2010 05:17 pm
@ican711nm,
Please provide us with a list of those "liberal jokers," and how that applies to liberals?
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Finn dAbuzz
 
  0  
Fri 10 Sep, 2010 05:21 pm
@parados,
Give it up Parados --- this is the sort of pointless arguing that is ruining/has ruined A2K.

Okie is never going to admit your narrow interpretation of the facts is correct and if he does, will it give you wood?

dyslexia
 
  1  
Fri 10 Sep, 2010 05:21 pm
while I realize it's difficult to accurately define ancient history, there's no record of ican ever being convicted of ******* chickens, but, he was young once.
spendius
 
  0  
Fri 10 Sep, 2010 05:23 pm
@dyslexia,
How do you know dys that it is possible to **** a chicken?
Finn dAbuzz
 
  0  
Fri 10 Sep, 2010 05:24 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Your disagreement and disdain is duly noted Cyclo.

How you feeling about our bet now?
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Fri 10 Sep, 2010 05:25 pm
@spendius,
He musta tried it.
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realjohnboy
 
  1  
Fri 10 Sep, 2010 05:26 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

okies = rednecks; seems plausible.


Hey, CI, I resent the slur against me and my fellow rednecks. As an aside, one of my employees is the only Republican Goth in the entire U.S. Honest.
I hope that, at some point, yall will weary of sniping at each other on this thread and a few others. But that is not my decision to make.
See you on Monday.
Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Fri 10 Sep, 2010 05:26 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Your disagreement and disdain is duly noted Cyclo.

How you feeling about our bet now?


I don't even remember it. But nevertheless, I'm still confident.

Was it about the Dems holding the House and Senate? I am still confident that they will do exactly that.

Regarding your penchant for hyperbolic statements, I think that - heartless devil that you are - you should know better than to throw out dreck like 'Obama is destroying America...' without some sort of support logic to back it up.

Cycloptichorn
dyslexia
 
  0  
Fri 10 Sep, 2010 05:27 pm
@spendius,
I read about it in The Christian Science Monitor.
 

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