Obama '08?

@okie,

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There you go, libs always go back to their tired old methods, accuse conservatives of racism or bigotry. Its because they cannot win the debate of political principles and ideas, so they have to use demagoguery.

That's rich coming from you okie.
In case you failed to notice the conservatives lost the political debate last election. It is you that is demagoging like crazy.
Saying Obama should be impeached without any evidence.
Saying Obama hates the country without any evidence.
Saying Obama hates the Constitution without any evidence.

I have provided more evidence that YOU hate the Constitution than you have that Obama does okie.

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@okie,

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If any of us value common sense government and freedom, we need to say no to his ideas.

IF any of us valued the country and the Constitution they would say NO to you okie.

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@parados,

parados wrote:

That's rich coming from you okie.
In case you failed to notice the conservatives lost the political debate last election. It is you that is demagoging like crazy.
Saying Obama should be impeached without any evidence.
Saying Obama hates the country without any evidence.
Saying Obama hates the Constitution without any evidence.

I have provided more evidence that YOU hate the Constitution than you have that Obama does okie.

Again, all lies about what I am saying or have said. I will say to you what I have challenged pom with, provide one iota of evidence that I have said anything like what you claim in the above, or provide an apology if you have a shred of decency and honesty, parados. There is the challenge. What are you going to do with it? Do you have any honesty or decency?

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@okie,

So let's see okie..
If you didn't say those things then does that mean;

You think ican is wrong about impeachment?
You think Obama loves the country?
You think Obama loves the Constitution?

You can't have it both ways okie. If you deny that those things are what you said then admit to the above.

But you won't, will you because I was right in you thinking and saying those things. I think it is you that doesn't have any honesty or decency okie since you now are denying your position on those issues.

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Speaking of liars, jan brewer made a fool of herself in the gubernatorial debates in AZ and so has withdrawn.

Sounds like she took a page out of sarah palin's book: when the going gets rough, the girls leave.

Go to youtube to hear brewer practically pass out while trying to talk. What are they going to do if their idiot in chief can not go the distance? The woman is such an embarrassment! Sets women back 90 years!

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@parados,

To repeat, provide quotes or knock off the nonsense and waste of postings here. I am tired of responding to false accusations and twisted reasoning of yours. If you cannot provide quotes, then have the decency of an apology.

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@okie,

Why should we do your bidding when you will still deny what we say? We offer you your own words back and you deny that we are right. Fifth grade, okie, fifth grade.

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@okie,

On Dec 12, 2009 you said this

okie wrote:

Actually, I think there are grounds to impeach the man now

Score 1 for me.

okie wrote:

I think it shows where Obama's true sympathies lie, and they are certainly not America.

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I think the very idea of turning America into a socialist country is un-American at its very core. It is not our spirit, it is not our soul, it is just not American.

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It all depends upon the collective character of the country, if they want their country destroyed,

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I have decided to pull off the gloves here and state the truth, the whole truth, and Obama is not an American in the tradition of what an American is, that is the belief in freedom, private property rights, liberty, and the responsibility of us, the citizens, instead of the State. The State is the alter that Obama worships at, and it is in direct conflict with we the people

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Define patriot, it means people that are not Marxists, that still believe in freedom, liberty, capitalism, individual rights and responsibilities. That does not include Obama,

From your Christmas letter to Obama

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Admit it, Barack, you have always thought America was rotten, so why didn't you say so instead of beating around the bush, and not telling us the truth?

That's sure in the spirit of Christ okie.

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They are virtual traitors to this country, the country that I thought every citizen should love and honor, but sadly they do not.

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I am personally fed up with such ilk that are not honest about themselves and do not believe in freedom and liberty, and America.

Boy okie.. you sure have said a number of times that Obama hates the US. Frankly, I got tired of reading your drivel about how Obama is a Marxist and how all Marxists hate the US.

But score 2 for me.

Now okie do you have the honesty and decency to admit that I was correct about your demagoging?

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@parados,

parados wrote:

Boy okie.. you sure have said a number of times that Obama hates the US. Frankly, I got tired of reading your drivel about how Obama is a Marxist and how all Marxists hate the US.

But score 2 for me.

Now okie do you have the honesty and decency to admit that I was correct about your demagoging?

I believe pretty much everything I have posted here on this forum, and I have reasons for believing it.

Okay, lets take the above as an example. Have I ever said Obama hates America, I don't think so. I have said he doesn't love the country, yes, I have said that, and I have also said he thinks it has been unjust and kind of a rotten place. I think he also believes he can remake it into something better. If you don't see the difference between hatred and the above opinion, then we will never resolve this issue, parados, and I would just have to conclude that you are sort of shallow in your thinking.

To go into this a bit more, do you think that a man that loves America would sit through numerous sermons by a Jeremiah Wright wherein he did much railing on America and how unjust she was, and even admire Wright and call him a spiritual mentor as if he was a hero of his, a man he looked up to? Is that logical, parados? I do not believe it is. The same is true with Bill Ayers, a man that belonged to an organization that was bent upon overthrowing the country, to the point of bombing the Pentagon. Would a man that loved America be a friend of such a man, and would he kick off his political career in the home of a man like Ayers? Very doubtful, parados, very doubtful in my opinion, and what I have just said provides ample evidence for my opinion for anyone with any common sense.

In regard to Marxism, whether you think so or not, communism runs totally counter to the spirit of America and freedom. I thought everyone knew this and thought the same way a generation ago. I think they did. Increasingly there are more people of this generation that no longer think that way, and I think it is because of a very lousy educational system in this country. So yes, I think Marxists think this country is unjust and they dislike the system in this country as it is and they want to change it to something more to their liking, if not pure Marxism at least very Socialist. If you think this is meaningless drivel, then I think you are wrong. Obama does not have Marxist friends and appoint Marxists to his administration for no reason at all, and I think people need to pay attention to what is going on. You can be tired of my calling attention to it, but I am also frankly tired of your mindless defense of Obama no matter what he does.

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@parados,

parados wrote:

On Dec 12, 2009 you said this

okie wrote:
Actually, I think there are grounds to impeach the man now
Score 1 for me.

Let us take this issue as well. I think there may be grounds for impeachment, but I do not agree with ican that we should try to go down that road now, as the grounds or evidence may not be compelling enough. If you would read my posts, I have plainly stated that I do not think there is enough political will to go through the process, and that it would become a distraction to what we are really needing to do now. I have also said that something more major may need to become known or uncovered in order to gain enough political support to impeach Obama. I also pointed out the media is another impediment to the process.

So again, your accusations that I contradict myself are without merit, parados, you seem to just make stuff up.

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@cicerone imposter,

Question...
Why have NONE of the dems that voted in favor of the health care bill run an ad bragging about that?
http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=DE1E691B-18FE-70B2-A813ACC3D55691DE

And why are dems saying that his new economic proposals have almost no chance of passing before the elections?
http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/09/06/congress.economy/index.html

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@okie,

okie wrote:

Again, all lies about what I am saying or have said. I will say to you what I have challenged pom with, provide one iota of evidence that I have said anything like what you claim in the above, or provide an apology if you have a shred of decency and honesty, parados. There is the challenge. What are you going to do with it? Do you have any honesty or decency?

LOL.. You denied it until I posted the quotes from you okie.

Obviously you are the one with no decency or honesty. Now you admit to it and repeat the same crap again that you just denied doing.

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@okie,

So...
You state quite clearly the following -
Obama doesn't love America
Obama wants to destroy America

But we are to believe that means you think Obama is ambivalent about America?
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You are dishonest and clearly have no decency to try to argue that you don't mean to imply that Obama hates America.

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@okie,

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Let us take this issue as well. I think there may be grounds for impeachment, but I do not agree with ican that we should try to go down that road now, as the grounds or evidence may not be compelling enough.

But that isn't what you said in the post I quoted okie. You can lie about it all you want but you quite clearly said what I posted.

Let me repost it for you okie

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Actually, I think there are grounds to impeach the man now.

Let me post what you said here

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but I do not agree with ican that we should try to go down that road now, as the grounds or evidence may not be compelling enough.

I see a radical difference between the 2 statements okie.
In one you clearly say there are grounds to impeach him. In the other you state the grounds may not be compelling enough.

Now lets look at what I said about you

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Saying Obama should be impeached without any evidence.

Let me repost YOUR statement again okie

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Actually, I think there are grounds to impeach the man now.

It sure looks like you said Obama could be impeached but you didn't provide any evidence for it.

Now you want to DENY you said Obama should or could be impeached while not providing any evidence?

You are a lying sack of dung okie. But you refuse to admit it, don't you.

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@okie,

okie wrote:

To repeat, provide quotes or knock off the nonsense and waste of postings here. I am tired of responding to false accusations and twisted reasoning of yours. If you cannot provide quotes, then have the decency of an apology.

I think you should have offered an apology quite some time ago.

You knew you were lying.

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Leftist Liberals appear to not like answering questions, because they do not know why they believe what they say they believe. Perhaps, Leftist Liberals do not like answering questions, because they do not actually believe what they say they believe!

You Leftist Liberals haven't yet answered my question! With which of the following claims do you agree and with which do you disagree? Why?
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THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN LEFTIST LIBERALS AND RIGHTIST CONSERVATIVES:
Leftist Liberals seek more government control over people's lives.
Rightist Conservatives seek more individual control over their own lives.

Leftist Liberals seek more equal distribution of wealth.
Rightist Conservatives seek more merit distribution of wealth.

Leftist Liberals seek more dependence by the needy on government charity.
Rightist Conservatives seek more dependence by the needy on private charity.

Leftist Liberals seek less dependence by the needy on private charity.
Rightist Conservatives seek less dependence by the needy on government charity.

Leftist Liberals rarely specify what Leftist Liberals think.
Rightist Conservatives regularly specify what Rightist Conservatives think.

Leftist Liberals regularly incorrectly claim what Rightist Conservatives think.
Rightist Conservatives regularly correctly claim what Leftist Liberals think.

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MULTIPLE TIMES THE FOLLOWING HAS BEEN POSTED AS A PORTION OF THE EVIDENCE (refer to links) THAT PRESIDENT BARACH OBAMA HAS ACTED UNLAWFULLY:
http://www.altavista.com/web/results?fr=altavista&itag=ody&q=REASONS+FOR+IMPEACHING+BARACK+OBAMA+&kgs=0&kls=0
http://www.amorian.org/2009/09/06/the-big-list-of-reasons-to-impeach-barack-obama/
(1) taken private property from those persons and from those organizations who have lawfully earned it, and given it to those persons and organizations who have not lawfully earned it.

(2) exercised the authority of his office to take private property for public use in violation of the Fifth Amendment of the United States Constitution, which guarantees to the People that “private property shall not be taken for public use without just compensation,” and without “due process of law.”

(3) interfered with the management of private companies for the purpose of achieving government control of them, in violation of the Fifth Amendment of the Constitution.

(4) interfered with the economic rights of the people by imposing unreasonable impairments in the fulfillment of their intended contractual obligations, and their ability to enter into such contracts.

(5) attempted to change our fundamental economic system from one governed by the rule of law to one governed by presidential dictate.

(6) signed an unconstitutional health care bill that is not authorized by any power of Congress enumerated in the Constitution, not even by a very expansive reading of the power to regulate commerce among the several states.

(7) signed an unconstitutional health care bill that violates the Tenth Amendment by requiring state governments to force their citizens to purchase medical insurance they do not want to purchase.

(8) signed an unconstitutional health care bill that violates the Ninth Amendment by forcing state governments to force their citizens to be denied rights that are retained by the people.

(9) used public money to purchase private companies.

(10) given our public money to a foreign state to finance their state-run oil company while refusing to allow us to develop our own oil resources.

(11) violated the balance of powers among the Congress, the Judiciary, and the Presidency by appointing, without congressional approval, so called Czars with far reaching powers who are accountable to no one but himself.

(12) funded his election campaign with foreign contributions.

(13) permitted the justice department to implement a policy to not prosecute any civil rights or voting rights violations if perpetrated by a black or blacks against a white or whites.

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@ican711nm,

Yes, ican. we know.
You think you should be able to impeach Obama for things he can legally do.

Repeating them doesn't make it illegal. It only reinforces how little you actually know about the US Constitution and our form of government.

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@parados,

You are my hero and role model!

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@ehBeth,

I suspect that okie might have a sock puppet or two and can not keep his personas straight.

While it is possible that he changed his mind between the two posts that parados found, okie would gain more respect (damning with faint praise!) if he were to say that he changed his mind and now sees the impeachment issue in a different light rather than denying he ever supported it, then becoming hopping mad when people cite his previous posts.

But, okie is not a man of courage. A man of courage admits he is wrong which is something okie would never do. A man without courage posts and posts and posts the same tripe over and over and over under an alias. Perhaps, this is therapy for him.

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