ican711nm
 
  1  
Sun 5 Sep, 2010 09:50 am
You haven't yet answered my question! With which of the following claims do you agree and with which do you disagree? Why?

THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN LEFTIST LIBERALS AND RIGHTIST CONSERVATIVES:
Leftist Liberals seek more government control over people's lives.
Rightist Conservatives seek more individual control over their own lives.

Leftist Liberals seek more equal distribution of wealth.
Rightist Conservatives seek more merit distribution of wealth.

Leftist Liberals seek more dependence by the needy on government charity.
Rightist Conservatives seek more dependence by the needy on private charity.

Leftist Liberals seek less dependence by the needy on private charity.
Rightist Conservatives seek less dependence by the needy on government charity.

Leftist Liberals rarely specify what Leftist Liberals think.
Rightist Conservatives regularly specify what Rightist Conservatives think.

Leftist Liberals regularly incorrectly claim what Rightist Conservatives think.
Rightist Conservatives regularly correctly claim what Leftist Liberals think.
ican711nm
 
  1  
Sun 5 Sep, 2010 09:52 am
@ican711nm,
Perhaps Leftist Liberals do not like answering questions, because they do not know why they believe what they say they believe. Perhaps, Leftist Liberals do not like answering questions, because they do not actually believe what they say they believe!
parados
 
  2  
Sun 5 Sep, 2010 10:18 am
@ican711nm,
Perhaps ican is repeating the same thing over and over because he can't show any evidence in the US Constitution to support his statements

Where is your evidence that taxation is theft? Provide the part of the US Constitution that supports that.

Where is your evidence that how the government spends money is a reason to impeach the US President? Please provide the words from the US Constitution that state that a law passed by Congress and signed by the President is a crime. Please explain why a law that is unconstitutional has not been ruled so by the courts. Then explain why other US Presidents were not impeached when laws they signed were ruled unconstitutional.
cicerone imposter
 
  -1  
Sun 5 Sep, 2010 11:41 am
@parados,
ican is like a broken record; it repeats itself without the benefit of brains.
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okie
 
  2  
Sun 5 Sep, 2010 03:41 pm
@realjohnboy,
realjohnboy wrote:

I am curious, Okie, about how you interpret the Obama approval ratings. Today it is at -21, which you are quick to point out. On Sept 1st it was at -12, which was one of Obama's better marks.
What, in your reading of events in the last few days, would account for his rise and then the fall?

I don't know, rjb. I confess that I do not follow the news in detail on a daily basis, I follow the events in general kind of week by week. If something big happens, I am aware of it, but I don't sit around studying the details of every issue as it affects the polling.

I tend to think his poll numbers are a cumulative effect of several factors. I would judge those factors to be the economy, the wars, illegal immigration, the Islamic Center in New York, the list goes on. Obama continues to show a lack of leadership in a number of areas, and people are increasingly aware of the economy going nowhere, plus other things like his administration opposing the efforts by Arizona to curb illegal immigration, filing a report with the U.N. accusing us of human rights abuses, which is frankly insulting, rjb. I saw a show the other day interviewing the governor of Arizona, and she is really fed up and irate with Obama and his policies. We have relatives in Arizona and they say most of the people are squarely behind the governor, and Obama is frankly out of his mind, what he is doing is bizarre if not anti-American and insulting.

Totalled up, I think more and more people are recognizing that Obama is in way over his head and essentially incompetent. Relatives visiting at our house over the past month, dozens of them in total, all generally agree with my assessment. You asked my opinion, thats it. So I think the polls show a general trend with minor blips back and forth which would be expected because of daily news, but the overall trend is downward for Obama unless he does something positive in a really remarkable fashion, but I don't see it happening. If the economy really begins to turn around, that would help him some.

By the way, the Rasmussen Strongly Approve vs Strongly Disapprove index is at an all time low today for Obama, a Minus 23.

"The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Sunday shows that 24% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as president. Forty-seven percent (47%) Strongly Disapprove, giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -23 (see trends). That’s the highest level of Strong Disapproval and the lowest Approval Index daily rating yet recorded for this president."

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/var/plain/storage/images/media/obama_index_graphics/september_2010/obama_approval_index_september_5_2010/375205-1-eng-US/obama_approval_index_september_5_2010.jpg
plainoldme
 
  0  
Sun 5 Sep, 2010 10:19 pm
@ican711nm,
Boy, you can not follow a thread at all. You are seriously out to lunch.
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cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Mon 6 Sep, 2010 02:42 pm
@okie,
okie, You love to post these Obama poll ratings without understanding the underlying reasons why this has happened. Over 88% of republicans do not approve of Obama, based on nothing more than ignorance of the facts. Obama has accomplished most of what he promised during his campaign. What has changed is not what Obama has accomplished, but the poison the republicans love to use in their typical fear-mongering fashion.

When I criticize Obama, I try to explain why. All the republicans do is use fear tactics, and have become known as the No Party. The GOP even recently defeated tax breaks for corporations who spend money on R&D. That's a funny way to show that the republicans believe in lower taxes and laissez faire.

All they do now is look at November, and the GOP doesn't want Obama to win some major legislation which would help increase employment.

Your brain is fried, and no amount of facts and reason will ever change your mind.
ican711nm
 
  -1  
Mon 6 Sep, 2010 02:53 pm
Perhaps Leftist Liberals do not like answering questions, because they do not know why they believe what they say they believe. Perhaps, Leftist Liberals do not like answering questions, because they do not actually believe what they say they believe!

Come on you Leftist Liberals. You haven't yet answered my question! With which of the following claims do you agree and with which do you disagree? Why?
====================================================
THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN LEFTIST LIBERALS AND RIGHTIST CONSERVATIVES:
Leftist Liberals seek more government control over people's lives.
Rightist Conservatives seek more individual control over their own lives.

Leftist Liberals seek more equal distribution of wealth.
Rightist Conservatives seek more merit distribution of wealth.

Leftist Liberals seek more dependence by the needy on government charity.
Rightist Conservatives seek more dependence by the needy on private charity.

Leftist Liberals seek less dependence by the needy on private charity.
Rightist Conservatives seek less dependence by the needy on government charity.

Leftist Liberals rarely specify what Leftist Liberals think.
Rightist Conservatives regularly specify what Rightist Conservatives think.

Leftist Liberals regularly incorrectly claim what Rightist Conservatives think.
Rightist Conservatives regularly correctly claim what Leftist Liberals think.
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cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Mon 6 Sep, 2010 02:59 pm
Here's the graph that shows that the republicans pretty much had a unfavorable rating on Obama in January of 2008 at 37%.
http://www.pollster.com/polls/us/jobapproval-obama-reps.php
As of September of this year, the republicans approval rating at 9.9% and disapproval at 87.7%. This is what is reflected in all the polls. With an 88% disapproval rating by republicans, it's amazing that the spread between approval and disapproval is so "small."
ican711nm
 
  -1  
Mon 6 Sep, 2010 03:58 pm
Quote:
KUHNER: President's socialist takeover must be stopped
By Jeffrey T. Kuhner
-
The Washington Times
5:58 p.m., Thursday, July 22, 2010

President Obama has engaged in numerous high crimes and misdemeanors. The Democratic majority in Congress is in peril as Americans reject his
agenda. Yet more must be done: Mr. Obama should be impeached.
He is slowly - piece by painful piece - erecting a socialist dictatorship. We are not there - yet. But he is putting America on that dangerous
path. He is undermining our constitutional system of checks and
balances; subverting democratic procedures and the rule of law;
presiding over a corrupt, gangster regime; and assaulting the very
pillars of traditional capitalism. Like Venezuela's leftist strongman,
Hugo Chavez, Mr. Obama is bent on imposing a revolution from above - one
that is polarizing America along racial, political and ideological
lines. Mr. Obama is the most divisive president since Richard Nixon. His
policies are Balkanizing the country. It's time for him to go.

He has abused his office and violated his oath to uphold the Constitution. His health care overhaul was rammed through Congress. It was - and
remains - opposed by a majority of the people. It could only be passed
through bribery and political intimidation. The Louisiana Purchase, the
Cornhusker Kickback, the $5 billion Medicaid set-aside for Florida Sen.
Bill Nelson - taxpayer money was used as a virtual slush fund to buy
swing votes. Moreover, the law is blatantly unconstitutional: The
federal government does not have the right to coerce every citizen to
purchase a good or service. This is not in the Constitution, and it
represents an unprecedented expansion of power.

Yet Obamacare's most pernicious aspect is its federal funding of abortion. Pro-lifers are now compelled to have their tax dollars used to subsidize insurance
plans that allow for the murder of unborn children. This is more than
state-sanctioned infanticide. It violates the conscience rights of
religious citizens. Traditionalists - evangelicals, Catholics, Baptists,
Muslims, Orthodox Jews - have been made complicit in an abomination
that goes against their deepest religious values. As the law is
implemented (as in Pennsylvania) the consequences of the abortion
provisions will become increasingly apparent. The result will be a
cultural civil war. Pro-lifers will become deeply alienated from
society; among many, a secession of the heart is taking place.

Mr. Obama is waging a frontal assault on property rights. The BP oil spill is a case in point. BP clearly is responsible for the spill and its
massive economic and environmental damage to the Gulf. There is a legal
process for claims to be adjudicated, but Mr. Obama has behaved more
like Mr. Chavez or Russia's Vladimir Putin: He has bullied BP into
setting up a $20 billion compensation fund administered by an Obama
appointee. In other words, the assets of a private company are to be
raided to serve a political agenda. Billions will be dispensed
arbitrarily in compensation to oil-spill victims - much of it to
Democratic constituents. This is cronyism and creeping authoritarianism.

Mr. Obama's multicultural socialism seeks to eradicate traditional America. He has created a command-and-control health care system. He has
essentially nationalized the big banks, the financial sector, the
automakers and the student loan industry. He next wants to pass
"cap-and-trade," which would bring industry and manufacturing under the
heel of big government. The state is intervening in every aspect of
American life - beyond its constitutionally delegated bounds. Under Mr.
Obama, the Constitution has become a meaningless scrap of paper.

To provide the shock troops for his socialist takeover, Mr. Obama calls for "comprehensive immigration reform" - granting amnesty to 12 million
to 20 million illegal aliens. This would forge a permanent Democratic
electoral majority. It would sound the death knell for our national
sovereignty. Amnesty rewards lawlessness and criminal behavior; it
signifies the surrender of our porous southern border to a massive
illegal invasion. It means the death of American nationhood. We will no
longer be a country, but the colony of a global socialist empire.

Rather than defending our homeland, Mr. Obama's Justice Department has sued Arizona for its immigration law. He is siding with criminals against his
fellow Americans. His actions desecrate his constitutional oath to
protect U.S. citizens from enemies foreign and domestic. He is thus
encouraging more illegal immigration as Washington refuses to protect
our borders. Mr. Obama's decision on this case is treasonous.

As president, he is supposed to respect the rule of law. Instead, his administration has dropped charges of voter intimidation against members
of the New Black Panther Party. This was done even though their
menacing behavior was caught on tape: men in military garb brandishing
clubs and threatening whites at a polling site. A Justice Department
lawyer intimately involved in the case, J. Christian Adams, resigned in
protest. Mr. Adams says that under Mr. Obama, there is a new policy:
Cases involving black defendants and white victims - no matter how much
they cry for justice - are not to be prosecuted. This is more than
institutionalized racism. It is an abrogation of civil rights laws. The
Justice Department's behavior is illegal. It poses a direct threat to
the integrity of our democracy and the sanctity of our electoral
process.

Corruption in the administration is rampant. Washington no longer has a government; rather, it has a gangster regime. The Chicago way has become the Washington way. Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel
is a political hit man. He is an amoral, ruthless operator. It was Mr.
Emanuel who reached out to Rep. Joe Sestak, Pennsylvania Democrat,
offering a high-ranking job in the hopes of persuading Mr. Sestak to
pull out of the primary against Sen. Arlen Specter. It was Mr. Emanuel
who offered another government position to Andrew Romanoff to do the
same in the Colorado Democratic Senate primary. And it was Mr. Emanuel -
as the trial of former Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich has revealed - who
acted as the go-between to try to have Valerie Jarrett parachuted into
Mr. Obama's former Senate seat. The only question was: What did Mr.
Blagojevich want in exchange?



This is not simply sleazy Chicago machine politics. It is the systematic breaking of the law - bribery, attempt to interfere (and manipulate) elections using taxpayer-funded jobs, influence peddling and
abuse of power.

The common misperception on the right is that Mr. Obama is another Jimmy Carter: an incompetent liberal whose presidency is being reduced to rubble under the onslaught of repeated failures. The
very opposite, however, is true. He is the most consequential president
in our lifetime, transforming America into something our Founding
Fathers would find not only unrecognizable, but repugnant. Like all
radical revolutionaries, he is consumed by the pursuit of power -
attaining it, wielding it and maximizing it. Mr. Obama's fledgling thug
state must be stopped.

If Republicans win back Congress in November, they should - and likely will - launch formal investigations into this criminal, scandal-ridden administration. Rep. Darrell Issa,
California Republican and ranking member of the Oversight and Government
Reform Committee, has promised as much. Mr. Obama has betrayed the
American people. Impeachment is the only answer. This usurper must fall.




Jeffrey T. Kuhner is a columnist at The Washington Times and president of the Edmund Burke Institute, a Washington think tank. He is the host of "The
Kuhner Show" on WTNT 570-AM (www.talk570.com) from 5 to 7 p.m.

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okie
 
  -1  
Mon 6 Sep, 2010 04:10 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Here's the graph that shows that the republicans pretty much had a unfavorable rating on Obama in January of 2008 at 37%.
http://www.pollster.com/polls/us/jobapproval-obama-reps.php
As of September of this year, the republicans approval rating at 9.9% and disapproval at 87.7%. This is what is reflected in all the polls. With an 88% disapproval rating by republicans, it's amazing that the spread between approval and disapproval is so "small."

It is because Democrats and so-called Independents that voted for Obama, plus the mainstream press, they all are heavily invested into Obama, not only politically, but in a very emotional way, ci, and this type of emotional investment and attachment to a political figure is not reduced and neutralized very easily or quickly. If people think somebody is really special as they did in the last election, they will follow them to their own detriment and injury. Do you remember Jim Jones and the koolaid drinking mass suicide event at Jonestown, Guyana? Understanding this is crucial, because we not only have a regular politician, but we are dealing with a pop culture figure in Obama. He represents almost a religious icon on top of being a politician. That is why this entire political atmosphere and situation is so potentially explosive and dangerous.
ican711nm
 
  -1  
Mon 6 Sep, 2010 04:15 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Cice, CLARIFICATION OF YOUR POST!

87.7% of Republicans surveyed disapprove of Obama.
9.9% of Republicans surveyed approve of Obama
77.8% DIFFERENCE

50.6% of total surveyed disapprove of Obama.
44.9% of total surveyed approve of Obama.
5.7% DIFFERENCE
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cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Mon 6 Sep, 2010 04:40 pm
@okie,
You are more than emotionally involved in your idea of conservatism. You make over-reaching statements about Obama that you can never prove, because they are dreamed up in your brain without any evidence or support. You love to use words like "impeach," without understand the US Constitution or how our government operates.
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plainoldme
 
  1  
Mon 6 Sep, 2010 05:37 pm
@parados,
I suspect ican repeats and repeats himself because that is what he has done all of his life. He probably hounds people into submission and is miserable because it doesn't work here.
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plainoldme
 
  1  
Mon 6 Sep, 2010 05:39 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Today, obama said that were he to say the sky is blue or fish swim in the sea, the republicans would say no.
plainoldme
 
  1  
Mon 6 Sep, 2010 05:40 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Actually, okie might be a masochist who gets off on the insults hurled at him here.
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plainoldme
 
  1  
Mon 6 Sep, 2010 05:41 pm
@okie,
Quote:

It is because Democrats and so-called Independents that voted for Obama, plus the mainstream press, they all are heavily invested into Obama, not only politically, but in a very emotional way, ci, and this type of emotional investment and attachment to a political figure is not reduced and neutralized very easily or quickly.


Perhaps, you have made an emotional investment in keeping the presidency male and white.
okie
 
  0  
Mon 6 Sep, 2010 05:56 pm
@plainoldme,
plainoldme wrote:

Perhaps, you have made an emotional investment in keeping the presidency male and white.

There you go, libs always go back to their tired old methods, accuse conservatives of racism or bigotry. Its because they cannot win the debate of political principles and ideas, so they have to use demagoguery.
okie
 
  1  
Mon 6 Sep, 2010 05:59 pm
@plainoldme,
plainoldme wrote:

Today, obama said that were he to say the sky is blue or fish swim in the sea, the republicans would say no.

But that isn't what he is saying. He says stuff like illegals should be granted amnesty, that the government spending more money will cure the economy, that people should be taxed more and more, and the government should tell us what to do and how to do it in regard to our health care and no telling what else he would like to take over. If any of us value common sense government and freedom, we need to say no to his ideas.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Mon 6 Sep, 2010 07:00 pm
@okie,
okie, Just more lies; if you ever bother to look at the stimulus plan in detail, you'll see that there are tax breaks in it for the middle class. But you're too stupid to not read the very things you argue against.

Your gall in talking about common sense goes beyond the pale; you have none.
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