plainoldme
 
  0  
Tue 24 Aug, 2010 08:45 pm
@JTT,
Well, I guess Roger Clements is more of a security threat than bush or rice or ashcroft, etc.
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JTT
 
  0  
Tue 24 Aug, 2010 08:46 pm
@okie,
CI posts evidence of the lies of the Bush cabal. I do the same. What does Okie do?

Quote:
JTT, aren't you the same one that has accused Bush of bringing down the towers?

Ther is no hope of debating JTT, folks, with any hope of talking reasonably with evidence.


Exactly what way too many conservatives do do. Their brain shuts down and they go into attack mode, denial mode, "yeah but the other guys are more wicked" mode.

Anything to avoid having to face the truth.
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cicerone imposter
 
  0  
Tue 24 Aug, 2010 08:49 pm
@okie,
okie, You're the only one on these threads who use conspiracy theory to create fear against Obama's socialist agenda.
JTT
 
  0  
Tue 24 Aug, 2010 08:52 pm
@okie,
Apology accepted, Okie.
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JTT
 
  0  
Tue 24 Aug, 2010 09:51 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
This is the same country (US) that continues to claim that we are careful about collateral damage.



Quote:
"We lie by not telling you things", a Pentagon official confessed to Newsweek. ... While Iraqi Scud missiles were "terrorist weapons", according to US media, American bombers undertook "surgical strikes" that resulted in merely "collateral damage". ... American news media repeatedly blamed Saddam Hussein for putting innocents in harm's way, thereby exonerating the United States.

"So far the US has fought this war at arm's length with long-range missiles, high-tech weapons," explained NBC's Tom Brokaw. "This is to keep casualties down."

Which casualties? Brokaw was referring to American soldiers, not Iraqi civilians who died by the thousands during continuous US bombing raids. ... The very magnitude of its brutality required heightened care to turn the meaning of events upside down. Mass media swiftly revised the news in the process of reporting it.

Few US reporters acknowledged the obvious: The ferocious bombing campaign sought to keep US losses down at the expense of huge casualties among Iraqi civilians. Patrick Cockburn, reporting for the British Independent, offered an uncensored view of the air war: "From the beginning, the allies' bombs and missiles were never as accurate as might have appeared ... There were craters where missiles had hit houses or waste ground, or were far from any obvious targets. The switch to attacks on roads and bridges ... means that more non-military people will be killed and wounded because, ... the transport system is primarily used by civilians ... [Allied Forces] have pretended that they can carry out surgical strikes; but mass bombing is a blunt instrument."


After a media "shock and awe" blitz designed to dupe American citizens, the truth started to come out. No great concern then, the lies had been firmly established in the minds of Americans.


Quote:
Thus careful readers of the Washington Posteventually learned that of all bombs dropped on Iraq, only seven percent were so-called smart bombs, and of these, at most 70 percent were thought to have hit their intended targets.

US News & World Report later ran a two sentence disclosure in its gossipy "Washington Whispers" section, estimating that the number of Iraqis killed exceeded 200,000, double the amount acknowledged by US military officials.

Few American learned that the US military used a deadly new armament, the fuel-air bomb, which the Los Angeles Times had previously described as a "terrorist" weapon when reporting rumors that Iraq possessed such a device.

... oxygen and blood were literally sucked from the lungs of thousands of mutilated Iraqi soldiers.


Unreliable Sources: A guide to detecting bias in news media

Martin Lee and Norman Solomon
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hawkeye10
 
  2  
Tue 24 Aug, 2010 11:54 pm
Quote:
THE Deepwater Horizon blowout may be capped and the surface oil slick dispersed, but the scientists’ job has just begun: hundreds of us are working in and around the gulf to determine the long-term environmental impact of the drilling disaster.

Although we are all doing needed research, we’re not receiving equal money or access to the affected sites. Those working for BP or the federal government’s Natural Resource Damage Assessment program are being given the bulk of the resources, while independent researchers are shoved aside.

The problem is that researchers for BP and the government are being kept quiet, and their data is unavailable to the rest of the community. When damages to the gulf are assessed in court or Congress, there might not be enough objective data to make a fair judgment.

Transparency is vital to successful science: researchers must subject their proposals to the scrutiny of colleagues, and publications require peer review. When it comes to field research, scientists need equal access to the same sites to test competing hypotheses.

But BP, which controls access to the Deepwater Horizon site and vast stretches of the water around it, seems unconcerned about those principles. Some suspect that the oil company is focusing its research on gathering material to support its legal case; we can’t know for sure, though, because researchers who get money from BP must sign strict three-year confidentiality agreements. In any case, whatever research comes out of BP’s efforts will be tainted by secrecy.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/25/opinion/25hooper-Bui.html?hp

The Obama Administration is putting the kibosh on science like the Bush administration did for global warming and a host of other issues??! Really? I thought I heard Obama a few years back when he was asking for the job of President say that he wanted to change Washington, wanted to put the citizens first, wanted to pull in the power of special interests to include the corporate fat cats. I must have misunderstood.


Professor Obama not liking science when it gets in the way of the agenda of Big Oil......who would have thunk it,,,,,,
spendius
 
  1  
Wed 25 Aug, 2010 06:06 am
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
I thought I heard Obama a few years back when he was asking for the job of President say that he wanted to change Washington, wanted to put the citizens first, wanted to pull in the power of special interests to include the corporate fat cats. I must have misunderstood.


You should have LOLLED hawk at that sort of thing.
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okie
 
  0  
Wed 25 Aug, 2010 09:22 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

okie, You're the only one on these threads who use conspiracy theory to create fear against Obama's socialist agenda.

It is not conspiracy theory. It is reality if you are talking about me pointing out Obama's radical friends, appointments, and sympathies, absolute reality, ci. You can choose to ignore it if you want to, particularly if you may have similar sympathies, but if not, I think you are making a mistake by passing it off as nothing.
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okie
 
  0  
Wed 25 Aug, 2010 10:43 am
Rasmussen polls show Obama continues to languish near his all time lows in approval.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/var/plain/storage/images/media/obama_index_graphics/august_2010/obama_approval_index_august_25_2010/371138-1-eng-US/obama_approval_index_august_25_2010.jpg
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/var/plain/storage/images/media/obama_total_approval_graphics/august_2010/obama_total_approval_august_25_2010/371163-1-eng-US/obama_total_approval_august_25_2010.jpg
cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Wed 25 Aug, 2010 10:47 am
@okie,
Here, okie, try to absorb this:

[size=55] President↓ P/M[13]↓ Highest Approval↓ Lowest Approval↓ High-Low↓ Highest Disapproval↓ Approval Average [12]↓
Obama 29.2 69 (1/22/09) 41 (8/17/10, 8/18/10) 28 52 (8/17/10, 8/18/10) 53[5]
Bush (G.W.) 2.9 90 (9/21/01) 25 (10/3/08, 10/10/08, 10/31/08) 65 71 (10/10/08) 49.4
Clinton 2.5 73 (12/19/98) 37 (5/26/93) 36 54 (9/6/94) 55.1[/size]
mysteryman
 
  0  
Wed 25 Aug, 2010 12:04 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Can you post a link to that?

While I dont believe in polls, when you cut and paste one like that its to jumbled to read or make any sense out of.
cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Wed 25 Aug, 2010 12:06 pm
@mysteryman,
Sure, mm, give me a minute or two. I'll find the link and post it here.

It's here in Wiki. Look under the section, Historical Comparison.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_approval_rating
mysteryman
 
  1  
Wed 25 Aug, 2010 12:14 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Thank you, thats much easier to read.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Wed 25 Aug, 2010 12:17 pm
@mysteryman,
mm, You're always welcome to ask for support of information I provide on any thread. You must also appreciate the fact that some of my opinions are personal opinions that are based on my many readings and/or observations, and personal experience.
JTT
 
  0  
Wed 25 Aug, 2010 12:23 pm
@okie,
Ummmm, Okie, post # 4,328,421, on the page previous to this. Why not take Ican and MM along? All three of ya can go over the facts.
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okie
 
  0  
Wed 25 Aug, 2010 12:32 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
You must also appreciate the fact that some of my opinions are personal opinions that are based on my many readings and/or observations, and personal experience.

What a surprise!!! But I am not allowed to post my opinions without providing so-called proof, is that right, ci? After all, you wrote this to me on another thread: "okie, You just love to make up **** as you post on a2k." Fact is ci, I don't make things up, I post what I believe to be true with evidence, along with my opinion. That is the purpose of political opinion forums.
ican711nm
 
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Wed 25 Aug, 2010 02:46 pm
Quote:

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=194785
Documented: Grounds for impeachment
'This is the beginning of the end for the United States unless ... '

By Bob Unruh
© 2010 WorldNetDaily

Lying, bribing, subverting election laws, payoffs, aiding the nation's enemies, seeking the abrogation of the U.S. Constitution – which of these does not fall under the "high crimes and misdemeanors" required in the nation's founding documents for the removal of a sitting president, asks a new special report.

"The Case for Impeachment: Why Barack Hussein Obama Should be Impeached to Save America" by Steven Baldwin covers all of these issues and more in making its arguments.

"This is the beginning of the end for the United States unless the people exercise their precious remaining liberties and stand and demand that their elected representatives impeach this president before further mortal damage is inflicted upon America," the report concludes.

The author explains that the Founding Fathers enshrined the impeachment clause into the United States Constitution because they feared that a president intent on subverting the very principles upon which the American experiment was built would someday rise to power.

Get the details, in "The Case for Impeachment: Why Barack Hussein Obama Should be Impeached to Save America"

"Despite all the checks and balances and obstacles they put in place, the Founders knew a determined cabal could still gain control of all three branches of government and wield this consolidation of power to dismantle our cherished constitutional principles, and eradicate the freedoms that generations of Americans sacrificed their lives to preserve," he writes.

"Make no mistake: That day is now upon us."

In "The Case for Impeachment," Baldwin, a senior research fellow at the Western Journalism Center, says the issue of impeachment "is no longer a laughing matter."

"With the economy continuing to implode, the coming collapse of the dollar, high unemployment rates, the government takeover of entire industries, the administration's weak and naive response to the worldwide jihadist threat, and the ongoing frontal assault on our Judeo-Christian heritage, the impeachment option is one that can no longer be ignored," he finds.

Impeachment, after all, is based on "high crimes and misdemeanors," an "old English common law phrase which, in the 1600s, meant negligence, abuse of power, and abuse of trust," the report says.

"Not only has the Obama administration promoted dangerous and unsustainable policies, but it has also engaged in corrupt and illegal activities such as bribery, a crime the Founders specifically cited as an impeachable offense. Moreover, this report details numerous instances of Obama lying to the American people, a pattern which clearly indicates a character defect that in itself endangers America. Given this, we believe impeachment is necessary for the future survival of America," says the report.

Among the factors Americans should consider:


Obama's violations of federal campaign and ethics laws, including the offers from his administration to Democratic U.S. Rep. Joe Sestak, who reported he was offered a high-ranking government job to drop his opposition in the Pennsylvania Senate primary to sitting Sen. Arlen Specter.


Obama's effort "to persuade the [Illinois] governor to fill the vacated Senate seat with his longtime adviser Valerie Jarrett."


Suggestions from Obama's own Federal Election Commission documentation that he got at least $33.8 million for his campaign from disallowed foreign contributions, including 520 contributions from interests in Iran as well as $30,000 from the Hamas-controlled Gaza area.


Obama's administration decision to drop a case that prosecutors already had won against "black nationalist thugs" who were seen on video apparently intimidating voters during the 2008 election.


Obama fired an inspector general, Gerald Walpin, after he exposed corruption linked to one of Obama's buddies, Sacramento Mayor Kevin Johnson.


The president's system of rewarding supporters has come under question. The report confirms more than 70 individuals who raised $50,000 or more for Obama "have been rewarded with ambassadorships or high ranking jobs."
The report documents how Obama's actions even may have endangered Americans by "treating the war on terrorism as a criminal matter and downplaying the war on terrorism."

"This attitude has manifested itself in a number of ways: Obama's casual attitude may have encouraged domestic terrorist attacks, such as the November 5, 2009, Ft. Hood shooting by Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan that left thirteen American military personnel dead."

His Department of Homeland Security also has "described veterans and other law-abiding Americans [as] 'rightwing extremists,'" the report says.

Further, the report explains how the U.S. State Department gave a grant to the Al-Quds television network, owned by the terrorist group Hamas, and invited them to the U.S. to produce a propaganda film.

Samantha Power, who once referred to the U.S. presence in Iraq as an "occupation" even as she favored sending troops to Israel to forcibly impose a Palestinian state, was appointed by Obama to the National Security Council, the report says.

And the report reveals how rapper Jay-Z and Beyonce were photographed sitting around the "Situation Room" – the confidential White House location filled with top secret communications equipment that allows the tracking of terror threats worldwide.

Access to the room normally requires a high security clearance level.

"Many of Obama's actions, if they do not flat-out violate the Constitution, certainly undermine the spirit and intent of the Constitution as envisioned by our Founding Fathers," the report explains.

And his fiscal policies "are causing unprecedented damage to America's financial health and to our reputation abroad."

The president even has changed history to remove Christian references, the report explains.

"In his 2010 Easter greeting message, Obama quoted from a sermon given by a military pastor on Iwo Jima in 1945. However, he removed passages dealing with Christian doctrine – like Christ's resurrection – in order to make the quote appealing to all religions, even though Easter is NOT a multicultural event; it's a Christian event. Obama altered a great historical quote in order to serve his multicultural worldview. Apparently he is embarrassed by America’s Christian heritage."

The report also has extensive sections on Democrats' new health-care law and what it means, as well as immigration.

"President Barack Obama has proven to be incompetent, reckless, deceitful, and naive when it comes to making economic decisions and protecting America’s security interests. His history of corruption, power-grabbing, and misleading the American people have created a pattern we believe jeopardizes America," the report says.

"This report reveals a pattern that demonstrates Obama is constantly engaging in actions that reflect a hard-left ideology antithetical to America's founding principles. … Obama is clearly dismissive of America’s constitutional principles and obviously dislikes the role America plays in the world. He dislikes our Judeo-Christian heritage and detests America's historical allies.

"Less than halfway through his first term, Obama has done more damage to America than any previous president in history. Some of the damage can be repaired; some can't. Some of his policies will haunt generations to come," the report says. "It's time for the American people to rise up and demand Congress impeach him."
okie
 
  -1  
Wed 25 Aug, 2010 04:20 pm
@ican711nm,
ican711nm wrote:


Quote:
"Suggestions from Obama's own Federal Election Commission documentation that he got at least $33.8 million for his campaign from disallowed foreign contributions, including 520 contributions from interests in Iran as well as $30,000 from the Hamas-controlled Gaza area.


Obama's administration decision to drop a case that prosecutors already had won against "black nationalist thugs" who were seen on video apparently intimidating voters during the 2008 election.


Obama fired an inspector general, Gerald Walpin, after he exposed corruption linked to one of Obama's buddies, Sacramento Mayor Kevin Johnson."


Where are all the world class journalists like another Woodward to investigate this corruption, ican? Are there any legitimate and decent journalists out there in the mainstream media? Just maybe that explains why some of us have wised up to some excellent reporting being done by the alternative media out there?

I agree that all of this should be investigated immediately with Congressional hearings and considerations of impeachment. Will it happen, very doubtful.
cicerone imposter
 
  -1  
Wed 25 Aug, 2010 04:48 pm
@okie,
The difference, okie, is I welcome people to question the veracity of my personal opinions - whether they hold water on their own merit. Most of what you post on a2k are personal opinions relished with great imagination and no reality.

People have continually challenged your claims, and all you do is provide more personal opinion to back up your claims. Intelligent debate doesn't work that way; when asked for "evidence," you must be able to provide facts that stands up to reality; not what you personally perceive to be the truth.

Do you know why most of my posts are not challenged as your's are?

There's a clue there if you even understand what I'm talking about.
ican711nm
 
  -2  
Wed 25 Aug, 2010 06:51 pm
@okie,
Okie, such an investigation as you recommend will only occur if the Democrats lose their majority in the House. A majority of those present in the House is all that is required to impeach Obama. Impeaching Obama puts him on trial. Whether Obama will be removed or not depends both on what is revealed to the American public during the impeachment trial, and whether or not at the end of that trial there is a two-thirds majority of those Senators present who vote to remove him as a consequence of all that is revealed in the impeachment trial.

Little of significance is accomplished if we don't try. But much can be accomplished if we do try.



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