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@okie,

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I think what rubs liberals the wrong way is anyone that is definite in their beliefs, not given to gray areas

Let us begin a list of what rubs liberals the wrong way:

1.) Lying. The m.o. of the conservatives. The first time I became aware of the right's propensity to lie was during a broadcast debate between Phyllis Schlafly and a woman law professor that took place prior to Schlafly's having gone to law school. The law prof offered chapter and verse disproving every statement Schlafly made. Schlafly would go into a state of high dudgeon and announce that her husband, an attorney, researched her speech for her.

The Neo-Cons follow philosopher Leo Strauss who advised leaders to lie to keep information away from the rabble . . . er . . . I mean the people.

2.) Racism. Liberals worked long and hard to end Jim Crow, allow blacks to attend schools and colleges, and help blacks register to vote.

3.) Robbery. American industrialists steal not only the wages of workers but their jobs which are sent overseas.

LEt's hear from the rest of you. What rubs a liberal the wrong way?

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@okie,

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Although I was in the infantry and spent a year as a "grunt," I was fortunate to see very little actual combat, almost none in fact. . . I was drafted, started as a lowly Private E-1, and by the time I was discharged about 2 years later, I left as a Buck Sargeant E-5.

Drafted? Didn't you have a college deferment? Didn't you write that you were in the Army after college? Didn't those with degrees become officers?

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The worst of it was sleeping in the rain at night and slogging through the tall grass and jungle during the day, in my opinion.

Every time okie writes 'in my opinion,' I hear the voice of Martin Short.

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@plainoldme,

plainoldme wrote:

LEt's hear from the rest of you. What rubs a liberal the wrong way?

Telling the truth, that really rubs them the wrong way. For example, some of the biggest racists were Democrats. In fact it was a Republican president, Eisenhower, that had to federalize the National Guard in Arkansas to make sure the schools were integrated despite the efforts of the Democrat governor down there. Many other examples of the truth could be cited, but that will only make pom mad and rub her the wrong way, because it violates her preconceived beliefs she has been brainwashed with.

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@plainoldme,

Why?
As a former fighter pilot, Bush was entitled to wear that flightsuit.
And there is another reason, one you could have found out simply by doing a little research.
Those flight suits are fire retardant, they are designed to protect the crew in case of fire onboard the aircraft.

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@okie,

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I have never before met another vet that wasn't anxious to share the information, so how about it?

While I do not often meet veterans, most are pretty tight-lipped about the war.

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@okie,

Isn't it odd that all of okie's posts have two thumbs up and ican isn't lurking?

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@plainoldme,

plainoldme wrote:

Drafted? Didn't you have a college deferment? Didn't you write that you were in the Army after college? Didn't those with degrees become officers?

Yes, I had a college deferment until I graduated, then it was over. When my number came up, I got the letter to report. No, people with degrees did not become officers, at least I knew of none. Guys with college degrees were common in my outfit.

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The worst of it was sleeping in the rain at night and slogging through the tall grass and jungle during the day, in my opinion.

Every time okie writes 'in my opinion,' I hear the voice of Martin Short.

Who is Martin Short? I don't have a clue what you are talking about. Besides, in the above, I was telling you of simply my experience, which is what it was, nothing more nothing less.

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@okie,

You don't count. I don't want to read your garbage because you already stated it. I want to hear from dys and c.i., if you haven't bored them off the page.

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@mysteryman,

The flight suit was theatre.

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@plainoldme,

plainoldme wrote:

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I have never before met another vet that wasn't anxious to share the information, so how about it?

While I do not often meet veterans, most are pretty tight-lipped about the war.

Perhaps true, until another vet comes along and a little time is available to visit about it. At least that is my experience.

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@okie,

Look up Martin Short, although you are probably the only person involved in this thread who is unfamiliar with him.

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@plainoldme,

So when he wore the flight suit, while aboard the aircraft, that was theater?
Was it theater when the other pilot wore the flight suit?

Or, were you hoping that the plane would crash and burn and that people aboard that aircraft would die?

Even if you were to go up in a fighter plane (which is something I doubt will ever happen), you would be required to wear a flight suit for fire protection.

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@plainoldme,

Okay, apparently a movie actor. I am not a movie buff, nor do I care about Martin Short.

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@okie,

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For example, some of the biggest racists were Democrats. In fact it was a Republican president, Eisenhower, that had to federalize the National Guard in Arkansas to make sure the schools were integrated despite the efforts of the Democrat governor down there.

Okie, that is the most specious bit of nonsense but I have to admit that it is a long time running piece of conservative nonsense. All southerners were Democrats. That doesn't mean that they were, in any way, shape or form, liberals. Don't you see how inane that idea is?

They were conservatives through and through, to the core of their souls, and deeper. Of course there were northern Republicans/conservatives who were against segregation. Again, a large number of northerners of all political persuasions were against segregation.

But you must remember that it was both groups that allowed the South to effectively override the 14th amendment, prolonging the plight of Blacks for another century.

There's really not much to be gained by pointing fingers. The whole miserable lot, and that includes most Americans, were responsible for the abysmal treatment that Blacks received at the hands of those who held it as divine truth that all men were created equal.

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@plainoldme,

Get a grip, POM, please.

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@okie,

He does a sort of oddball, perhaps homosexual character who says things like "in my opinion" in a rather pompous way. If you remind others of Martin Short, it might be a good idea to learn who he is in order to stop behaving like a silly character.

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@JTT,

Besides, Eisenhower let it be known that he only sent the National Guard in to prevent the rest of the world from criticizing America.

Furthermore, that the Supreme Court had to desegregate schools nearly a century after the Civil War ended and that the President had to send the National GUard to protect elementary school children from the rabble, many of whom were possibly members of the Klan, shows how ingrained racism was in this country and how quickly the work of those who participated in sit ins and boycotts turned this nation around.

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@mysteryman,

Cheap shot MM. It was showmanship all the way including the big sign at his back.

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@JTT,

JTT, there is another perspective on this, which I agree with and think is more accurate as a matter of fact. In fact, many blacks have awakened and they understand this issue better than many of us do, and the real black history and who went to bat for them can be found here:
http://www.nbra.info/
Interesting also, there is strong evidence that Martin Luther King was a Republican.

What I read on the above site matches what I remember about history as well. I remember the 50's, which would have spanned my age from about 4 to 14, which was a time of my growing awareness of politics. My parents were Democrats. My mother used to buy bread and take eggs by a neighbor lady's place, an old widow that needed help, as she was quite elderly. I remember sitting there listening to the conversation, and I remember some of the woman's opinions. She was a staunch Democrat to say the least, and also a very obvious racist. This made an impression on me, as my parents were no way racist and did not raise us that way. After we left, my mother would caution me to consider the source. It was a fact that many Democrats thought as the elderly neighbor did.

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@okie,

Just goes to show that people change from what their parents were.

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