hawkeye10
 
  1  
Wed 4 Aug, 2010 01:47 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
However, we can blame ourselves for voting in these crooks and fiscal incompetents.
it became clear that something was wrong by studying the response to John B Anderson in the 1980 Pres. Election. This was commented on at the time in the press, about how people clearly did not want politicians telling them anything other than what they wanted to hear. The take away from that election cycle that has been conventional wisdom up to this day is that to not conform your message to the fantasies of the electorate was to slit your own throat as a politician. Which is why I can not place all the blame on government and politicians like many do.

Edit: for this and other reasons we have convinced the best and the brightest that politics is not worthy of their time. So we don't get good people by and large. Increasingly we get fanatics and crooks.
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spendius
 
  0  
Wed 4 Aug, 2010 01:59 pm
@ican711nm,
Quote:
When the OD give away tax payer money to people they do not help people or the economy.


The taxpayers money comes from the taxpayer. It has nowhere else to come from. It's only a question of getting all the pork balanced and if you elect nice guys to represent you in the bunfight over it you get screwed. They are akin to mercenaries really. And we all know what happens with mercenaries in relation to their clients. Most wages I should think come from taxpayer funded projects. They showed a few projects on CBS last night. Some of them were quite funny. There was about $20 million creating about 17 jobs. For a month or two.

The system has its ups and downs but the long term trend has not been bad up to now. We had nit nurses with fearsome specs, frog spawn puddings, holes in our socks and Mums with fingers red from scrubbing father's collars in cold water.

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ican711nm
 
  -2  
Wed 4 Aug, 2010 03:30 pm
@parados,
Quote:
From the Center for Responsive Politics:
Quote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Responsive_Politics
Center for Responsive Politics
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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The Center for Responsive Politics (CRP) is a nonpartisan research group based in Washington, D.C. that tracks money in politics and the effect of money and lobbying activity on elections and public policy and maintains a public online database of its information.[1]

The freely available OpenSecrets.org databases allow web users to track federal campaign contributions and lobbying activity in a variety of ways, such as by industry and interest group. Other popular resources include the personal financial disclosures of every member of the US Congress, the president and top members of the administration. Users can also search their own ZIP codes to learn how their neighbors are allocating their political contributions.
...

WALL STREET'S TOP 5 GIVING TO CONGRESS IN 2010
$1,556,099 => Senator Charles Schumer - Dem NY
$ 660,175 => Senator Harry Reid - Dem NV
$ 644,450 => Senator Kirsten Gillibrand - Dem NY
$ 516,300 => Represenative Mark Kirk - R IL
$ 445,248 => Senator Chris Dodd - Dem CT

WALL STREET TOTAL GIVING TO CONGRESS IN 2010
$13,315,043 => DEMOCRATS
$ 8,775,966 => REPUBLICANS

WALL STREET GIVING IN 2008
$14,907,585 => BARACK OBAMA
$ 8,710,135 => JOHN MCCAIN


Parados, Wall Street consists of those businesses located in Manhattan, New York that trade or recommend trading in stocks, bonds, mortgages, etc.
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realjohnboy
 
  3  
Wed 4 Aug, 2010 05:41 pm
@parados,
parados wrote:

Wall street is what? Businesses that have offices on Wall St? Any business that is listed on the exchange?


I wandered around this site for awhile today. A lot of data on political donations but your head will start to spin when you see how many ways there are to contribute. I couldn't find anything to support Ican's numbers. You can find donations by state, city and even by zip code. You can find out what industry the donors are in. I did not find one called "Wall Street."
I am confident that Ican will provide a link to his source.
Right.
Most of the money, as I saw it, came from lobbyists and from California.
okie
 
  0  
Wed 4 Aug, 2010 05:46 pm
@ican711nm,
ican711nm wrote:
Over the last 100 years government has become increasingly corrupt. Much of that correuption has been sponsored by those corrupt businesses. In the last three years Democrats have been recipients of most of Wall Street's donations.

It is called "PROTECTION MONEY," ican. Government has so much power these days over what businesses do, that they believe that they have to pay off the politicians in order to protect themselves from more and more predatory government actions upon them - in the way of more and more regulations, increased taxation, unfair favoritism directed to their competition, etc. If government would retreat to its original intended purpose and stay out of stuff it has no business being involved in, the need to fund lobbying and payoffs to campaign coffers would be greatly reduced. For example, one reason lobbyists are so necessary is because without them educating the stupid politicians that go to Washington, the stupid politicians would enact even more unwise and even more ridiculous regulations than they already have and are doing.

Of course in addition to protection money, there are also corrupt businesses that will curry favor of politicians to get government contract work and so forth. This goes on all the time, example Harry Reid and his buddies in business in Nevada.
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plainoldme
 
  1  
Wed 4 Aug, 2010 05:47 pm
There are some very naive responses here.
hawkeye10
 
  1  
Wed 4 Aug, 2010 05:51 pm
@plainoldme,
Quote:
There are some very naive responses here.
that is the lowest energy drive-by that I have seen in some time.....Long day at the office dear?
okie
 
  -1  
Wed 4 Aug, 2010 06:22 pm
@plainoldme,
plainoldme wrote:

There are some very naive responses here.

Nothing naive about "Protection money," pom. Try running a big business in this country that Obama has targeted, or that Reid or Pelosi have targeted, and then see what you think about it!! If you cared at all about the shareholders of your company, I think you might pay attention to it, and perhaps hire a few lobbyists in Washington to try to educate some of the dolts in Congress in regard to your industry.
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plainoldme
 
  0  
Wed 4 Aug, 2010 06:24 pm
@hawkeye10,
No, sugar, but there are some very naive responses here. Guess that floated a tad above you.
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Joe Nation
 
  1  
Wed 4 Aug, 2010 06:48 pm
Quote:
In the last three years Democrats have been recipients of most of Wall Street's donations.

Golly, I wonder who got the bulk of those donations in the previous eight years..... .

Joe(iwonderwonder who, da da da , WHO ???,,,,,)Nation
talk72000
 
  0  
Wed 4 Aug, 2010 07:44 pm
@Joe Nation,
http://htmlimg1.scribdassets.com/cwdru7xp9l4fi8/images/1-ad9f9802d2/001.jpg

The second figure in light blue are the Republicans. Republicans have traditionally been the choice of Wall street.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/8969709/Fact-Sheet-Wall-Street-Money-in-Politics

Quote:
The wealthy securities and investment industry, for example, went from giving 2 to 1 to Democrats at the start of 2009 to providing almost half of its donations to Republicans by the end of the year, according to new data compiled for The Washington Post by the Center for Responsive Politics.

Commercial banks and their employees also returned to their traditional tilt in favor of the GOP after a brief dalliance with Democrats, giving nearly twice as much to Republicans during the last three months of 2009, the data show. At the same time, total political donations by the major banks and investment houses alike dropped in the waning months of that year.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/23/AR2010022305537.html

ican711nm
 
  0  
Wed 4 Aug, 2010 07:57 pm
@realjohnboy,
My posted tabulations of campaign contributions made by Wall Street came from the Limbaugh Letter, pages 12 and 13, June 2010." Limbaugh's letter said their source was The Center for Responsive Politics.

The Center for Responsive Politics
1101 14th St., NW • Suite 1030
Washington, DC 20005-5635
(202) 857-0044 • fax (202) 857-7809
[email protected]
URL: http://www.opensecrets.org

Quote:

http://www.opensecrets.org/races/index.php
Congressional Races
Here's the place for head-to-head comparisons of the candidates in every U.S. House and Senate race this year. You can compare the candidates by the size and source of their contributions, the industries and interest groups that supported them, where the money came from geographically, and much more.


To get started, click on a state or search for a candidate or select a state to the right.

For a list of the MOST EXPENSIVE races, see Election Overview.

For 2008 PRESIDENTIAL election, view Presidential Data.

...

cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Wed 4 Aug, 2010 07:58 pm
@talk72000,
We all know what happened with GW Bush's "keep your hands off" policies.
ican711nm
 
  -2  
Wed 4 Aug, 2010 08:03 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Bush and his Democrat majority Congress was bad in 2007 and 2008.

Obama and his Democrat majority Congress in 2009 and so far in 2010 is far worse.
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realjohnboy
 
  4  
Wed 4 Aug, 2010 08:54 pm
I spent about a half hour in all prowling around the Center for Responsive Politics site. A lot of numbers from this .org place.
I found nothing to support the claim from the "Limbaugh Letter" regarding contributions to Dems vs Repubs from "Wall Street."
Could you look at the CRP data, Ican, and show us where Limbaugh's numbers may have come from?
Thanks.
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plainoldme
 
  1  
Wed 4 Aug, 2010 08:56 pm
So, how many of you have put in an order for Laura Ingraham's book?
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realjohnboy
 
  1  
Thu 5 Aug, 2010 06:57 pm
Lt Col Terrance Lakin, an Army doctor, faces charges after he failed to show up at Ft Campbell, KY, for deployment to Afghanistan.
Lakin says he wants to see Barack Obama's birth certificate from Hawaii before he accepts the deployment order to be legal.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Thu 5 Aug, 2010 07:01 pm
@realjohnboy,
All Col Larkin had to do was do a search on Google for Obama's birth certificate.
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plainoldme
 
  1  
Thu 5 Aug, 2010 07:23 pm
@realjohnboy,
I could swear that Obama's birth certificate was reproduced in the paper, either the Boston Globe or the NYT.
 

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