Obama '08?

@ican711nm,

This is all I've been able to find on opensecrets.org

http://www.opensecrets.org/news/FIRE_contribs.JPG

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@plainoldme,

pom, Not only in the major newspapers, but it's been published internationally. Not only that, Obama's birth was published in the Hawaii newspaper.

Good trick; go back in time and publish somebody's birth in the newspaper.

Some people just don't have the brain that god gave them.

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@cicerone imposter,

You mean the brains god gave a rock!

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Why is anyone even still talking about that lunacy regarding Obama's birth certificate?

If he was born in Hawaii, he is a US citizen.
How hard is that to understand?

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apparently, for ican and his ilk, very very hard, mm.

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@MontereyJack,

What I dont understand is why anyone is making a big deal over his birth certificate.

My little sister was also born in Hawaii, and she doesnt have a birth certificate either.
What she does have is the same type of certificate that Obama has, and it has always been accepted as proof.
She got her passport with it, she got a job with the US govt with it, and has never had a problem.

While I disagree with much of Obama's actions and policies, this flap over his birth certificate is totally assinine.

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NO ONE has their original birth certificate, mm. All ANYONE has is a notarized copy. The originals stay in offices of vital statistics or sometimes, I believe, in hospitals, if they don't get transferred to the state. I'd really like to see some of the birthers try to get their own original birth certificate. They wouldn't be able to.

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As far as I can tell, the hospital I was born in has merged with others at least twice, and its archives are now split and in at least two different institutions. My birth certificate is decades old, and some sort of photostat (white lettering on black background) of the original, with a notary seal. It's held together with a lot of scotch tape where it has fallen apart at the creases. I KNOW I was born in the States, but if I ever need to get another, I'm going to be in deep trouble.

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@MontereyJack,

The court house of the county in which your born should be able to get you one. My own involved a fee of $10.00. Probably $20.00 by now.

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@roger,

But that isn't an actual birth certificate according to birthers.

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@parados,

I found a birther controversy of another sort. there is a loopy guy, Charles Beauclerk, a descendant of the Earl of Oxford, one of those many people who are supposed to have written Shakespeare.

Well, neither Shakespeare nor the Earl of Oxford have birth certificates. Duh! Doesn't that tend to suggest that no one did? The baptisms of both men were registered. Duh! Doesn't that tend to suggest that was the practice of the time?

But, Beauclerk has his own spin on the matter. Shakespeare's lack of documentation signals that he did not exist while the Earl's similar missing documentation is a sign that he was the illegitimate son of the 14 year old Princess Elizabeth as the result of her having been raped by the Thomas Seymour, then Lord Admiral and husband of her step-mother, Catherine Parr.

I find the birthers just as ridiculous!

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If Obama was born in the USA he satisfies one and only one necessary condition to be president.

Quote:

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_transcript.html
Article II.
Section 1.
...
No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States.
...

These are two other necessary conditions stated in Article II. Section 1, plus one necessary condition implied in Section 4.:

Quote:

Section 1
. ...
The President shall, at stated times, receive for his services, a compensation, which shall neither be increased nor diminished during the period for which he shall have been elected, and he shall not receive within that period any other emolument from the United States, or any of them.

Before he enter on the execution of his office, he shall take the following oath or affirmation:--"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

...

Section 4. The President, Vice President and all civil officers of the United States, shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.

I claim President Obama has violated his oath of office and should therefore be impeached and removed.

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@ican711nm,

Your poor logic and lack of observational skills would make you impeachable in the court of human orderly conduct and sane logical humans.

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We have gone through the whole "birther" thing before. I didn't mean to do it again.
I dropped in the story of Lt Col Lakin's refusal to report for deployment to Afghan because it struck me as weird that this (career?) medical doctor would be willing to see his military career go down in flames over something so quixotic.

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@realjohnboy,

rjb, Many people change their minds about being in the service, and this Col happened to used an "excuse" to get himself dishonorably discharged.

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@plainoldme,

Quote:

one of those many people who are supposed to have written Shakespeare.

Nobody else could have written The Complete Works. Nobody else could have come close.

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@talk72000,

talk 72000 wrote:

Your poor logic and lack of observational skills would make you impeachable in the court of human orderly conduct and sane logical humans.

Your lack of a rational explanation for why you think my logic is poor, why you think I lack observational skills, and why you think that "would make [me] impeachable in the court of human orderly conduct and sane logical humans," marks you an ODD (i.e., an Obama Democrat Dufus).

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@ican711nm,

Let's see why your logic is poor ican..
You claim there are 3 conditions Obama has to meet to be President and list those 3 areas of the constitution where they are contained.
You claim Obama has only met ONE of the 3.

1. Lists the age and birth requirements which you agree Obama has met.
2. Lists the payment for President - You provided no evidence that Obama has violated that one. There is no evidence that he has violated it since his salary was set before he took office and has not changed since he took office.
3. States the oath the President is to recite. You claim he violated it, yet there is video evidence of him reciting that very oath.

You then claim Obama should be impeached and we can only assume for failing to meet the 2 constitutional requirements. Yet, you provided zero evidence of him failing to meet those requirements and we have clear evidence to the contrary

Your logic and lack of observational skills is poor ican because you claim things that clearly are not true to anyone with the barest of observational skills. You then base your impeachment claim on things that aren't even a basis for impeachment let alone have any credible evidence that Obama violated them.

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@parados,

parados, It doesn't matter to the likes of ican whether their claims are true or not; they parrot around falsehoods all the time, and many of like-minded people believe the same thing. They have no understanding of our constitution, of history, or how our democratic republic works in this country. They just like to spew falsehoods they hear on FOX news.

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I wandered around briefly today looking at the case of Col Lafin. It turns out his failure to report for deployment was in mid-April. His courts martial is coming up soon. His defense will be, evidently, that it was not a lawful order because Obama is not a citizen and therefore is not legally the President or Commander-in-Chief.
The defense will not hold up because, and I am really sorry if this pisses off Ican, it doesn't matter!

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