Obama '08?

sozobe wrote:

Did anyone ever say it wouldn't get down and dirty?

Do you mean from Obama's side, though? That's where the fact that he had nothing to do with the creation of the ad becomes significant.

Well, when I predicted Hillary would be digging up dirty laundry and planting it in the media, and I reminded everyone about the FBI files, although I don't know if she and Bill reviewed Obama's file, anyway I was met with some skepticism, I believe it was Snood in particular. In regard to Obama, I do not perceive him to be ruthless in the mold of a Hillary, and he truly might be a nice guy, I do not yet know much about him, but I don't know if he is fully aware of what all he will have to fight before this is all over, in terms of the Clintonistas bag of tricks, and we do not yet know how this will all play out. I would like to see him beat Hillary soundly and completely, but beyond that, he has a very liberal voting record, so the general election is a completely different ballgame.

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I do not perceive him to be ruthless in the mold of a Hillary

None of the other dems even come close to Hillary, you're right about that.

Cycloptichorn

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You guys accuse Hillary of having a bag of dirty tricks. Yet the only one so far has been from the Obama camp. OH! that's right he did not have anything to do with it.

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Oh! that's right... Rolling Eyes

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Smile Sozobe. Look where the latest time poll puts Obama in the General. Shocked

http://pollingreport.com/wh08gen.htm

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:-D

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sozobe wrote:

:-D

They also see him catching up fast against Clinton. It's 34:26 now.

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Fewer pledge allegiance to the GOP

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http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-shift23mar23,0,195804.story?coll=la-home-headlines

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blatham wrote:

Fewer pledge allegiance to the GOP

Good. I hope this will help the grownup Republicans take charge and make their party attractive again.

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Thomas wrote:

Good. I hope this will help the grownup Republicans take charge and make their party attractive again.

Whats that supposed to mean, Thomas? Does it include abortion sanctioned and paid for by government is hunky dory?

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You make some peculiar jumps, okie.

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okie wrote:

Thomas wrote:
Good. I hope this will help the grownup Republicans take charge and make their party attractive again.

Whats that supposed to mean, Thomas? Does it include abortion sanctioned and paid for by government is hunky dory?

Don't be ridiculous.

It means that responsible, sensible Republicans who want classic conservative values at home AND in terms of our foreign policy, take the reigns back from the current Cult of Personality which runs your party.

Cycloptichorn

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The foul smell of Bush and the republican dominated congress will permeate from the republican party for years to come. It will be difficult to get rid of that stink.

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ehBeth wrote:

You make some peculiar jumps, okie.

I was merely responding to Thomas's stink bomb comment that implies that more liberal thinking is more "grownup." I read the implications, make a comment, and I am accused of a peculiar jump, when Thomas made the jump.

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But he didn't say anything about more liberal. How do you know it's not stuff like finally rein in spending and be more fiscally responsible?

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au1929 wrote:

The foul smell of Bush and the republican dominated congress will permeate from the republican party for years to come. It will be difficult to get rid of that stink.

The foulest smell coming out of government these days, in my opinion, is the Leahys, Clintons, Ted Kennedys, Pelosi, Reid, Durbin and like minded people.

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sozobe wrote:

But he didn't say anything about more liberal. How do you know it's not stuff like finally rein in spending and be more fiscally responsible?

Did I say I knew for sure? I only suspect what I put in my question. He hasn't answered the question yet.

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Thomas wrote:

blatham wrote:
Fewer pledge allegiance to the GOP

Good. I hope this will help the grownup Republicans take charge and make their party attractive again.

This move is in the right direction, but I'm not sure that much optimism re the party is merited. At least, not for a significant time period. The sort of shift this polling (and earlier) mirrors is pulling along the independents particularly. Further revelations (inevitable) of corruption, deceits, etc will help the trend. Electoral consequences will put a big boost behind the dynamics for change.

But, the internal resistance to change will be significant not merely in terms of emotional investment (eg many of the folks here) but also in terms of structural factors. The various things I've been reading over the last decade suggest that the 'feeder lines' into the party machinery are preponderantly of the 'new conservative' sort. Likewise at the community and state level party organizations. All of this did, after all, work very well for a good period of time.

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blatham wrote:

Thomas wrote:
blatham wrote:
Fewer pledge allegiance to the GOP

Good. I hope this will help the grownup Republicans take charge and make their party attractive again.

This move is in the right direction, but I'm not sure that much optimism re the party is merited. At least, not for a significant time period. The sort of shift this polling (and earlier) mirrors is pulling along the independents particularly. Further revelations (inevitable) of corruption, deceits, etc will help the trend. Electoral consequences will put a big boost behind the dynamics for change.

But, the internal resistance to change will be significant not merely in terms of emotional investment (eg many of the folks here) but also in terms of structural factors. The various things I've been reading over the last decade suggest that the 'feeder lines' into the party machinery are preponderantly of the 'new conservative' sort. Likewise at the community and state level party organizations. All of this did, after all, work very well for a good period of time.

John Dean is writing a new book about this question, which I believe all the candidates should be asked:

"Just how much power do you believe the position you are running for, has?"

Cycloptichorn

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okie wrote:

I was merely responding to Thomas's stink bomb comment that implies that more liberal thinking is more "grownup."

he didn't say anything like that

Thomas wrote:

I hope this will help the grownup Republicans take charge and make their party attractive again.

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Your transcription of that to

okie wrote:

Does it include abortion sanctioned and paid for by government is hunky dory?

was/is peculiar.

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