OCCOM BILL
 
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Wed 21 Mar, 2007 10:39 pm
snood wrote:
...wonder how much mileage those who'd like to puncture Obama's balloon can get out of this "Obama is secretly fighting dirty" thing...
Don't worry; Blatham will be along any minute to explain that it's really the hated Republicans (perhaps even Rove himself Shocked ) behind the whole thing.
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snood
 
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Thu 22 Mar, 2007 04:21 am
Do you have any reason to believe the frikkin ad was done by anyone but the guy who admitted doing it, all by his lonesome?
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Thu 22 Mar, 2007 12:16 pm
snood wrote:
Do you have any reason to believe the frikkin ad was done by anyone but the guy who admitted doing it, all by his lonesome?
No. And moreover; I wouldn't care anyway. The version Nimh linked was clever, told no lies, and struck me as fair enough even if it ended with "My name is Barack Obama and I approve this message."
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okie
 
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Thu 22 Mar, 2007 12:45 pm
Just checkin in, Occom bill, are you still as enthusiastic as ever for Obama, or has the luster dulled a bit? And snood, remember I predicted the Hillary / Obama contest would get down and dirty? Do you believe it now?
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sozobe
 
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Thu 22 Mar, 2007 01:16 pm
Did anyone ever say it wouldn't get down and dirty?

Do you mean from Obama's side, though? That's where the fact that he had nothing to do with the creation of the ad becomes significant.
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Thu 22 Mar, 2007 01:26 pm
okie wrote:
Just checkin in, Occom bill, are you still as enthusiastic as ever for Obama, or has the luster dulled a bit?
Probably more so, since he continues to look more and more viable all the time. Obama Vs. Giuliani= No horror regardless of who wins. It would be the first election of my lifetime where I could respect both contenders. Too frequently; it's been neither. Why shouldn't I be enthusiastic?
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Thu 22 Mar, 2007 01:56 pm
OCCOM BILL wrote:
snood wrote:
...wonder how much mileage those who'd like to puncture Obama's balloon can get out of this "Obama is secretly fighting dirty" thing...
Don't worry; Blatham will be along any minute to explain that it's really the hated Republicans (perhaps even Rove himself Shocked ) behind the whole thing.


Very Happy
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Thu 22 Mar, 2007 02:01 pm
sozobe wrote:
Did anyone ever say it wouldn't get down and dirty?

Do you mean from Obama's side, though? That's where the fact that he had nothing to do with the creation of the ad becomes significant.


If he hasn't actually said it, he certainly has implied it.

I don't doubt that his campaign did not have anything to do with the ad, but I wouldn't have a hard time believing they did if there was any evidence to suggest so.

If the campaign does get down and dirty and Obama is fully engaged, it will make him look like a phony.

Maybe he can remain above the fray, but you can bet Clinton's campaign is trying to figure out how he can be dragged into the mud.
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Thomas
 
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Thu 22 Mar, 2007 02:30 pm
OCCOM BILL wrote:
Don't worry; Blatham will be along any minute to explain that it's really the hated Republicans (perhaps even Rove himself Shocked ) behind the whole thing.

Nonsense! This was obviously a Ridley Scott fan who wanted to advertize for his hero. Wait until YouTube features this guy's Alien I adaptation to the primaries.
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sozobe
 
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Thu 22 Mar, 2007 02:42 pm
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Maybe he can remain above the fray, but you can bet Clinton's campaign is trying to figure out how he can be dragged into the mud.


I'd believe that, sure. There have been specific twofers that made me suspicious -- that the "leak" about Obama's middle name came from the Hillary camp, etc. -- but that doesn't mean I don't think that they are prepared to fight this tooth and nail and mud.

What I'm a bit concerned about is the Obama/ staff disconnect. This came up with the Geffen thing and something else too I think, where Obama himself had a great reaction but his staff got a bit bumptuous before he stepped in.
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blatham
 
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Thu 22 Mar, 2007 03:12 pm
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
OCCOM BILL wrote:
snood wrote:
...wonder how much mileage those who'd like to puncture Obama's balloon can get out of this "Obama is secretly fighting dirty" thing...
Don't worry; Blatham will be along any minute to explain that it's really the hated Republicans (perhaps even Rove himself Shocked ) behind the whole thing.


Very Happy


How odd then that I didn't. It's not in the style of a modern American rightwing smear being rather too creative, sophisticated, bright and subtle.

What has really impressed me about this u tube video is how absolutely brilliant the Apple ad was. If you consider the fundamental marketing notion of "positioning" - establishing a context in which a product or producer will be portrayed and perceived - this ad was as good as it gets. Apple needed and wanted to be perceived as an entity entirely different from IBM. And they wanted and needed to appeal to a youthful and independently-minded demographic because that is who would be buying their products.

The ad plays on this generational and cultural disparity masterfully, with IBM portrayed as a faceless, colorless and oppressively authoritarian corporate presence, all set against Apple's colorful and vigorous rule-breaking youthfulness. In fact, this is a straight line to American mythology in the sense of how America historically considers itself in relation to Europe.

One really interesting aspect to reflect on in this ad is the choice to have the brave hero of the little play as a female. There is only that one female evident in the whole thing and she is the winning rebel soldier. Had that role been played by a male, it wouldn't have nearly the power that it has, and that's a function of its appeal to, again, an upcoming generation and the democratic vigor of women's new place in our culture.

It's arguably the "best" ad ever made for tv.
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Lash
 
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Thu 22 Mar, 2007 03:22 pm
snood wrote:
Lash wrote:
Ooops.

Orwellian Hill hit ordered by Obama...?

Thunk!


This is from that article...

Quote:
He said he produced the ad outside of work and that neither Blue State nor the Obama campaign was aware of his role in the ad.


Yeah. Orwellian.

The fuckin ad was Orwellian, doofus.
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Lash
 
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Thu 22 Mar, 2007 03:24 pm
snood wrote:
...wonder how much mileage those who'd like to puncture Obama's balloon can get out of this "Obama is secretly fighting dirty" thing...

...wonder how many members remember widespread blame for all negative ads against any Democrat contender as written, produced and paid for with blood money by Bush/Cheney not long ago...
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sozobe
 
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Thu 22 Mar, 2007 03:25 pm
That's another layer of it too that was great, the whole "1984" in 1984 thing.

I'd agree that the original was one of the all-time great ads. I remember seeing it, made a big impression on me. (I was 13 or so at the time.)
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Lash
 
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Thu 22 Mar, 2007 03:26 pm
It was a killer ad, btw.
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sozobe
 
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Thu 22 Mar, 2007 03:45 pm
Lash, are you combining Swift Boat Vets to this ad? (Obama version.)
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Lash
 
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Thu 22 Mar, 2007 03:52 pm
I was referring to the Orwellian Hillary as "Father"/ 1984 dealie.
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snood
 
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Thu 22 Mar, 2007 04:19 pm
Lash wrote:
snood wrote:
Lash wrote:
Ooops.

Orwellian Hill hit ordered by Obama...?

Thunk!


This is from that article...

Quote:
He said he produced the ad outside of work and that neither Blue State nor the Obama campaign was aware of his role in the ad.


Yeah. Orwellian.

The **** ad was Orwellian, doofus.


Oh, I is sory.

Orwellian could refer to the attitude of those who attempt controlling popular opinion through propaganda, so couldn't also the creator of the ad be described as Orwellian, as well as the theme of the ad itself?

If not, plees axcept mye humbel apahligy fer lak of ed-yew-kay-shun.
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okie
 
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Thu 22 Mar, 2007 04:21 pm
OCCOM BILL wrote:
okie wrote:
Just checkin in, Occom bill, are you still as enthusiastic as ever for Obama, or has the luster dulled a bit?
Probably more so, since he continues to look more and more viable all the time. Obama Vs. Giuliani= No horror regardless of who wins. It would be the first election of my lifetime where I could respect both contenders. Too frequently; it's been neither. Why shouldn't I be enthusiastic?

Thanks.
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blatham
 
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Thu 22 Mar, 2007 04:22 pm
sozobe wrote:
That's another layer of it too that was great, the whole "1984" in 1984 thing.

I'd agree that the original was one of the all-time great ads. I remember seeing it, made a big impression on me. (I was 13 or so at the time.)


soz

There you'll really get me going. The 1984 "meme" was available to everyone that year to use in their advertising or whatever. No one came close to using it so powerfully and effectively as these folks did. And anyone aiming for the same demographic could have done it. It was just sitting there waiting.

But it's really often the case that creativity in the realm of genius arrives and we all think, "God, that was obvious!" Leonard Berstein, speaking of one of Beethoven's symphonies said, "Every note follows the one before it inevitably." Of course, that's not so, it is just that we normal doofuses are appropriately mesmerized by something which the word "perfect" tries to get at.
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