sozobe
 
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Mon 19 Mar, 2007 10:13 am
As far as I can tell, this was the first one, on Saturday:

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/03/17/BAGPKONDHM3.DTL

That might be the same one Foxfyre posted, too.
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sozobe
 
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Mon 19 Mar, 2007 10:17 am
(not "first" as in first mention anywhere but as in starting this new wave...)
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ehBeth
 
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Tue 20 Mar, 2007 10:41 am
Watched Mr. Obama on Larry King last night. Well, listened. I like him better if I'm just listening to him. Nothing revolutionary, but nice and straight-forward. Didn't back away from any questions (including about the youtube thingie).
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Tue 20 Mar, 2007 11:07 am
ehBeth wrote:
Didn't back away from any questions (including about the youtube thingie).



From the CNN transcript
Quote:
KING: There's an anti-Clinton ad out, which your campaign said it has nothing to do with, causing a stir on YouTube Internet site. It reuses footage from the famous 1984 Super Bowl for Apple Computer to slam Clinton and support Obama. Here's a look, and we'll get your comments.

(VIDEO CLIP IS PLAYED)

KING: Are you disclaiming -- what is your read on that?

OBAMA: Well, we knew nothing about it. I just saw it for the first time, and you know, one of the things about the Internet is, that people generate all kinds of stuff. In some ways, it's the democratization of the campaign process, but it's not something that we had anything to do with or were aware of, and that frankly, given what it looks like, we don't have the technical capacity to create something like this. It's pretty extraordinary.
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sozobe
 
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Tue 20 Mar, 2007 11:25 am
Here's the transcript for anyone else who's interested:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0703/19/lkl.01.html

I liked a lot of it, but this in particular (answering a question about experience):

Quote:
Well, I think that anybody who considers the job of the presidency and doesn't think it's a little daunting probably hasn't been paying attention.
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sozobe
 
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Tue 20 Mar, 2007 11:26 am
Oops, found the transcript, read it, then clicked submit.

It was a nice interview, thanks for the heads-up, ehBeth.
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Tue 20 Mar, 2007 05:53 pm
Obama telephoned Butrflynet
Butrflynet was astonished to receive a personal telephone call from Barak Obama on Monday. How thoughtful of Obama to call his Sacramento Communication Committee's staff to personally thank them for their work on his behalf.

Butrflynet is doing an outstand job developing and publishing the Obama Sacramento, California news letter

BBB
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sozobe
 
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Tue 20 Mar, 2007 07:38 pm
I had no idea... go, Butrflynet!!
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snood
 
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Wed 21 Mar, 2007 04:04 am
I have personally congratulated her, and hereby do so publicly.
You go-o-o-o, girrrr-ll!!!!!!!
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Thomas
 
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Wed 21 Mar, 2007 09:24 am
After reading the CNN interview, I don't understand how Obama squares his "bring the troops home" message with his "finish the job in Afghanistan" message. According to every serious analysis I've read, winning Afghanistan requires that the US withdraw its troops from Iraq, redeploy them in Afghanistan, and leave them there for an unknown number of years. How does this fit together with "bring the troops home"?
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Wed 21 Mar, 2007 09:27 am
Thomas wrote:
After reading the CNN interview, I don't understand how Obama squares his "bring the troops home" message with his "finish the job in Afghanistan" message. According to every serious analysis I've read, winning Afghanistan requires that the US withdraw its troops from Iraq, redeploy them in Afghanistan, and leave them there for an unknown number of years. How does this fit together with "bring the troops home"?


It 'brings them home' to afghanistan?? Very Happy

I think that the consensus is that redeployment to afgh. will require less troops overall than the current committment in Iraq. Longer furloughs, etc.

Cycloptichorn
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Thomas
 
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Wed 21 Mar, 2007 09:37 am
Cycloptichorn wrote:
I think that the consensus is that redeployment to afgh. will require less troops overall than the current committment in Iraq. Longer furloughs, etc.

I'm not buying that. I don't have the citation ready to hand, but a few months ago, Paul Krugman cited a study that compared successful occupations since World War II with failed ones. The study then compared how many occupants per capita were deployed in them. The result was that if historic trends prevail, America has lost in the war in Iraq, has a fighting chance in Afghanistan, but only if it redeploys all its troops currently in Iraq.

Granted, extrapolating historic trends can be an iffy approach to analysis. But I'll take it over an aspiring president's wishful thinking anytime.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Wed 21 Mar, 2007 09:41 am
Thomas wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
I think that the consensus is that redeployment to afgh. will require less troops overall than the current committment in Iraq. Longer furloughs, etc.

I'm not buying that. I don't have the citation ready to hand. But a few months ago, Paul Krugman cited a study that compared successful with failed occupations since World War II, then counted how many occupants per capita were deployed in them. The result was that if historic trends prevail, America has lost in Iraq and has a fighting chance in Afghanistan, but only if it redeploys all the troops currently in Iraq.

Granted, extrapolating historic trends can be an iffy approach to analysis. But I'll take it over an aspiring president's wishful thinking anytime.


I don't disagree. I guess in part I've been backing a plan which would involve greater NATO and European involvement with Afghanistan. I fear that we really are just putting off a confrontation with Pakistan, though.

Cycloptichorn
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Lash
 
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Wed 21 Mar, 2007 05:53 pm
Ooops.

Orwellian Hill hit ordered by Obama...?

Thunk!
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Brand X
 
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Wed 21 Mar, 2007 06:48 pm
Oopsie. Laughing
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snood
 
  1  
Wed 21 Mar, 2007 06:49 pm
Lash wrote:
Ooops.

Orwellian Hill hit ordered by Obama...?

Thunk!


This is from that article...

Quote:
He said he produced the ad outside of work and that neither Blue State nor the Obama campaign was aware of his role in the ad.


Yeah. Orwellian.
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Brand X
 
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Wed 21 Mar, 2007 07:19 pm
Obama brings up a point:

"Frankly, given what it looks like, we don't have the technical capacity to create something like this," he said. "It's pretty extraordinary."

Could this one guy have the technical capacity to produce somehing this polished and involved in his spare time?
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Wed 21 Mar, 2007 08:03 pm
That first video was rather tame compared to this one...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QViJwZwXTl0&mode=related&search=
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Brand X
 
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Wed 21 Mar, 2007 08:16 pm
After looking at this(Hillary) one and the original I can see it wouldn't be difficult for someone to do.
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snood
 
  1  
Wed 21 Mar, 2007 09:29 pm
...wonder how much mileage those who'd like to puncture Obama's balloon can get out of this "Obama is secretly fighting dirty" thing...
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